Explosion at Manchester Arena - Fatalities Confirmed

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  • redvip2000
    redvip2000
    Islam is neither peaceful nor violent because it is an ideology not a religion, and not a specific person

    @Rebel,

    You see... this where you get in trouble, i don't think you understand the point.

    You are dancing around the issue with redefinitions. Whether ISLAM is an ideology or a religion (which it is), you still have to contend with the ideas it sponsors.

    Now, even if a muslim is somehow able to play mental gymnastics to ignore the bad things Islam promotes in order to be a good person, this still does not negate the bad ideas.

    I know you think you are somehow defending a minority here, but this has nothing to do with that.


  • cofty
    cofty

    I think it's helpful to deal with Islam and Islamism separately.

    The latter is rooted in the former. All Islamists are Muslim but not all Muslims are Islamists.

    Not all Islamists will commit acts of terrorism but all Islamists are enemies of free democratic society.

  • WhatshallIcallmyself
    WhatshallIcallmyself

    A thought:

    Why do I often hear the admonition to speak to a Muslim when talking about Islamic fundamentalism? Why would a Muslim know more than I on this subject just because they are Muslim? Can I not read the same books as said Muslim? Do you have to be a Muslim to understand the history/theology of this religion?

  • Simon
    Simon

    Most of us know from personal experience that the people in a religion often know the least about it while still in and only really learn the truth when they step back. You don't ask a Scientologist for the truth about Scientology or a JW for the truth about the WTS or a Mormon for honest answers on Mormonism.

    Belief and honest truth don't make good bedfellows.

    If anyone uses the "you can't understand it" deflection tactic, ask them to produce the specific verses that you're supposedly incapable of understanding. Crickets.

  • barry
    barry

    The mantra "Islam is a religion of peace' is true to a muslims understanding. In islamic theology when the whole world is muslim there will be peace in the world but is a very imperial type of peace.

    More news from London a white women was attacked 10 minutes walking distance from her work at Little Diamonds a child care centre in Wanstead north east London. The three attackers dressed in black yelling in arabic and saying Allah will get you produced a knife and slashed the white women on her arm from her wrist to her elbow. The women was in shock was treated by paramedics and taken to hospital. The police are taking statements and the attackers have not been arrested as yet.

    Stay safe in the violent month of ramadan.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Despite Mrs May's claim that "enough is enough" the police are trying to pretend that this was not a terrorist incident. A random knife attack by three women shouting about Allah. I wonder what category they are going to file this under.

    They still seem to think that treating us like idiots is a useful tactic for maintaining the peace.

  • The Rebel
    The Rebel

    redvip " I know you somehow think you are defending a minority....."

    You are correct. I believe minority is the individual, (which happens to be the majority ) And if the leader of my country droped a bomb on " Hiroshima "I should ask myself

    A) is that an act of terroisam or an act of war?

    And as a citizen of that country, I should ask myself :-

    B) how much am I responsible for that act?

    Why is this question important?

    Despite the obvious, but also because this country continued to drop bombs, not 10 or 15, but tens of thousands of bombs, and they are still being dropped by the country of the individual citizen. And the fact is many innocent people have been killed by these bombs. There is no attic to hide under, people are killed, even children have been thrown out the window, and broken bones splattered in the street.

    I can reply like a true gentleman, " Those bombs were all fully justified" but true gentlemen , snore and fart, and don't have their child wrapped up in their arms when those bombs were dropped. So I instead reply, like most individuals " I don't want those bombs to be dropped" and personally I accept sometimes we must spit, and fart but never should we " snore".

    I believe in humanity, and never will I fall from the spheres and beyond and underneath that level, despite what the leaders of my country, a religion or an ideology does to oppose my conscience.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I'm tired of your idiotic ramblings that make no sense. You seem to be trying to justify terrorists acts. You're an idiot.

    Any future attempts to derail topics will be deleted.

  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus

    Rebel, you want to cite the atomic bomb dropped on hiroshima... ok fair enough.

    the japaneese bombed pearl harbor first. America wasnt involved in ww2 despite the dire situation in europe. Japan would have continued their march and take over of other countries, bombing innocents and civilians.

    What would you have prefered? A gentlemanly discussion with the emperor outlining your grievances? Ceding territory to appease japan?

    Use of force has justification. Radical islam started using acts of terror on innoncents to wage war and wont stop with friendly chats or the wests withdrawl from imaginary meedling in the middle east or any other mccguffin. Its war and has to be treated as such.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Rebel - You seem to enjoy making your posts as ambiguous as possible. Why? Isn't the purpose of communication to write in such a way as others know exactly what we mean?

    Back to the topic - Please consider the theoretical "perfect bomb". It completely eradicates the intended target while causing zero collateral damage.

    How do you think the UK government and the brave men of the RAF would make use of such a weapon?

    How do you think Islamist extremists would make use of such a weapon?

    Intentions matter.

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