Explosion at Manchester Arena - Fatalities Confirmed

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  Ruby456

  hothabanero

  @Ruby: That is a lie. I don't agree with posters here on everything & I am happy to learn. Not supporting the new nazism or allow it to spread on your forum is not equal to totalitarianism
  

  its okay sweetie - everyone has a viewpoint - yours is as valuable as anyone else.

  reading a good book called The Captive Mind by an author who was caught between communism and Nazism and his fight for truths in poetry and literature against enslavement to the illusion of having full knowledge from reason in the twentieth century and what it leads to.

  edit: Nazism right wing enslavement to reason and communism left wing enslavement to reason in their extreme forms

  edit edit: Islam was caught between the two and it was this historical situation that gave birth to political Islam in the middle east.
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  Lostandfound

  Put a mix of poisonous and non poisonous snakes in your bathroom, similar looking ones. How many baths will you take now? They all look the same but.......
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  _Morpheus

  Ruby, you are, as seems to be the norm in this discussion, way off in a comparision.

  The "right wing", at least as far as american politics, is centered on the idea if individual liberity and LESS government.

  The modern left wing 'liberal' government in america is about more government control and less individual freedom.

  anyone who thinks nazism was "right wing" is a very poor judge of anything political. Both communism and nazism were radical left ideologies of control.

  The one exception to that general rule is abortion where the political right staked out the "protect life" ground as appeasement to the christain right in defiance of individual choice in a matter. Im not opening that can or worms but suffice to say calling nazi's right wing is futher evidance of your lack of insight into peoples motovations and end results of actions.
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  Ruby456

  last time I checked this thread was not about the US.

  nazism was right wing
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  The Rebel

  Since leaving the J.W organisation, some of my dearest friends are muslims. I hate writing that, it's labeling people. I will try again. Since leaving the J.W oganistion some of my dearest friends are simply kind and compassionate people.

  Back to labeling, my dear friend, who looks after the old, smokes yet wears a head scarf. Yes she is a Muslim, one of many who contribute with selfless self sacrifice to make my country a better place. And maybe I have gone off O.P, sorry but certain comments on the thread got to me.
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  The Rebel

  Ruby456, " reading a book called " The captive mind"

  i read that book by Czeslaw Milosz. So your comment made me take that book, from my book shelf. A quick glance and these were comments I underlined years ago :-

  1) in fleeing I trampled on many values that may determine the worth of a man.

  2) one compromise leads to a second and a third until at last, though everything one says may be perfectly logical, it no longer has anything in common with the flesh and blood of ordinary people.

  3) Who ever thinks he is 100% right is a fanatic, a thug and the worst kind of rascal.
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  Simon

  one compromise leads to a second and a third until at last, though everything one says may be perfectly logical, it no longer has anything in common with the flesh and blood of ordinary people.

  I agree, we should not compromise when it comes to Islam and allow it to lead society into a dark past. Islam is death, eventually. Always.

  Who ever thinks he is 100% right is a fanatic, a thug and the worst kind of rascal.

  I agree, people like Muslims who think their backward world view is 100% correct and can be the only view allowed and death for any who dare to disagree are the worst kind of thugs imaginable.
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  Ruby456

  simon I think you would enjoy the book
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  Ruby456

  the rebel

  2) one compromise leads to a second and a third until at last, though everything one says may be perfectly logical, it no longer has anything in common with the flesh and blood of ordinary people

  what was the page no.

  I seem to get the sense that Czeslaw Milosz may have said the above in connection with how an individual (a perfectly normal individual who has ethical values) can gradually put their intuitions/conscience and values to sleep and gradually give agreement to totalitarian thinking.
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  The Rebel

  Hi Ruby456,

  Whilst looking for the page number, I came across this comment on page 198. I quote it because this book helped me hugely in leaving the J.W organisation, and I would highly recommend the book for that purpose. ( apologies for an off topic post)

  " People who attend a " club" summit to a collective rythem, and some come to feel that it is absurd to think differently from the collective. The collective is composed of units that doubt; but all these individuals pronounce the ritual phrases and sing the ritual songs, they create a collective aura to which they in turn surrender. Despite its apparent appeal to reason, the " clubs" activity comes under the heading of collective magic. The rationalization of the doctrine is fused with sorcery, and two strengthen each other. FREE discussion is of course eliminated. If what the doctrine proclaims is as true as the fact 2 x 2 equals 4, to tolerate the opinion 2 x 2 equals five would be indecent.

  Ruby456, Finally found, its on the last page of Alpha, the moralist. My book page 110.