social retard

by MerryMagdalene 124 Replies latest jw friends

  • moanzy
    moanzy

    I so totally identify with you Merry!!!

    It sounds like Jez had some cool parents. I wasn't allowed to do anything without being questioned about every detail of what was going to happen when kids got together(like we were suppose to know) We had been dragged in the back room by elders just over watching movies at someones house. We were so discouraged at any type of gathering other than the odd baseball game or wedding and then we still had to bare a talk the following Sunday about having TOO much fun and not taking Jehovah seriously. This is really true!!!! To this day I cannot go into a group and feel comfortable and strike up conv easily. I have some really close friends that I have met who are not JW that I go places with in a group because they help make it easier for me to develope this skill. All in All I wonder if I will eventually be able to strike up good conversation natually or will this be my legacy!

    Moanzy

  • Mamacat
    Mamacat

    I have the same problem Merry. It's hard for me to know what to say to people, and it is directly related to my upbringing in org. I was a talkative child, and I used to have no problem thinking of things to say. Unfortunately, some of the stuff I said wasn't the most proper or polite, so I got told to be quiet a lot, and finally I just stopped talking to most people.

    Our congregation had get-togethers, but you know what...we weren't invited. My dad was a non-JW, and he had a reputation for being a hard ass because he would play games with my mom about going to the meetings. He eventually relented in his opposition, but I guess everyone didn't know that, and we still weren't invited.

    As I got older, there were a few sisters who would invite me to come over and play with their kids. The kids were all younger than me though. After my one friend moved away, there were no other JW's within 2 or 3 years of my age in our congregation. Oh, and I don't have any brothers or sisters, and I didn't learn basic social skills.

    I write down things I need to say when I make phone calls. I like being around other moms, because then at least we have being parents in common. It is getting better, but I feel like I have to come up with something to say when the conversation lags, and sometimes, I just can't.

    I still have a hard time understanding sarcasm. Also, people that makes jokes with a serious face...I can't explain it exactly, but I have a hard time realizing when people are kidding around with me.

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    its hard for me to trust people..

    after a lifetime of psudeo friends who would either tell on you if you did something " wrong"

    put you in a position of feeling like you should tell on them if they did something "wrong"

    having to worry about " stumbling" someone if you watched the simpsons or somethin

    and the biggie to me was always how so many of my jw acquaitances lived double lives.. and were just blatantly two faced hypocrits.

    thankfully , my new friends (which are all male for some odd reason) understand my upbringing and have on occasion when i've gotten upset over something i said or upset if i rant and cuss.. , they put their arms around me and say " friends dont have to edit their conversations" just amazes me when it happens..

  • blondie
    blondie

    I wasn't a social retard; but then you don't have to be a JW to be one; being a teenager is a difficult time for anyone socially.

    I had a different attitude since I had one parent who wasn't and socialized with "worldly" relatives and friends.

    The real issue in my mind is not that people don't socialize outside the congregation, but that there is little social interaction inside the congregation; except for the elite group.

    Blondie

  • talesin
    talesin

    Just a thought ... my brain is kinda numb today, so I hope it makes sense. ;)

    Briefly, I'll say that I learned ZERO social skills as a born-in JW. That's just me and my family.

    From the time I can remember, I was taught that everyone else was ruled by Satan.

    So, when I went to school, picture it ... little 5 YO girl, looking at all the other kids, knowing they are demonized *shudder*, and the teachers and everyone else who was not from the KH.

    As a little kid, I really believed it. I had nightmares all the time, still do.

    Also, as a JW we are taught we are better than everyone else, while at the very same time we are taught that we are imperfect and will never measure up.

    For many years, I remained unconnected to other people. Cognitive dissonance lingered. Then, I met a woman thru work who epitomized unconditional love. She is still my friend, and one of the most loving, straight forward (she'll tell you when you need to be told!) people I know.

    She love-bombed me. But her love-bombing was real. She taught me that I was lovable. From then on, which was 12 years ago, I have been much better at friendship and socialization. Because I had finally learned, that I was lovable.

    I had learned that being imperfect = humanity. Now I know that I do measure up.

    Once I could accept myself, warts and all, I could start looking at others the same. No longer judging them because they did not meet my standards (whether consciously or not). I also started to feel more comfortable in social situations because I had more self-confidence.

    There is also the need to be right, an important JW trait (and yes, you don't have to be JW to have it, but most JWs are like this, ref. political threads hehe) that I'd like to get into, but energy is gone atm.

    It's a journey, and we will all get there if we remain self-aware and open to change.

    Really enjoying this thread.

    t

  • Gretchen956
    Gretchen956

    Yes, many of us feel this way and it is not easily overcome.

    Jez, you are truly one of the few that I know that had it that good in the JWs. All depends on where you are from, what the social structure of the congretation is and how isolated. I grew up in Montana. Talk about your isolation! I was not allowed to talk to the neighbors, to kids at school after or before school, or to have any friendships outside the organization. The congregation was not huge. The choices there were limited. My dad suffered from depression all his life and when I was growing up was very irregular at meeting attendance (I sure wish this site had been around then!). We were ostracised for that and people did not associate with us much. I can remember a handful of times when there were get-togethers. They were actively discouraged. If you did have one you weren't allowed to have music because dancing was evil and it encouraged sexual feelings! And that part is NOT isolated, at least in my generation that was the norm.

    Lately I have felt this burden more and more. I've been withdrawing into my shell.

    Sherry

  • Jez
    Jez

    Ok, talked to my hubby today on our little day out. He says that he can see that JW would be socially stunted because of their entire friend/social/religious/family base being wrapped up in the JW religion and then once you leave or are df'ed, it is all gone. Where does that leave one that is thrown into a world that they do not know how to cope in? He says that living in a fantasy world can wreck havoc on a person's social life because even if one ever did exist, it was fake. I believe he is right, to find that out leaves one scarred and unable to trust that your own judgement about others friendship nor ones ability to make 'true' friends, or even the meaning of love or unconditional love.

    I will talk more later about this but we are going out to get beer right now.

    PS. I like you Mary Jez

  • Wild_Thing
    Wild_Thing
    He says that he can see that JW would be socially stunted because of their entire friend/social/religious/family base being wrapped up in the JW religion and then once you leave or are df'ed, it is all gone. Where does that leave one that is thrown into a world that they do not know how to cope in? He says that living in a fantasy world can wreck havoc on a person's social life because even if one ever did exist, it was fake.

    I agree with your husband! He sounds very smart!

  • Jez
    Jez

    Shhhh....my husband would love it if he knew you thought he was smart....lol He is good for me to talk to because he KNOWS me so well.

    Anyways, as we talked, it became clear that my allowance/ability to be myself (one foot in and one foot out) saved me socially. I never had 'restrictions' placed upon me, was never grounded and the minute my mother went on vacation or anything, all spiritual stuff stopped-thanks to dear ol dad. He was a faker and we all knew it, made it easy when he left the organization finally for many of his children to do the same.

    I did suffer the same as all of you and only we understand how it feels to lose 'friends' that you changed their kids diapers, cried with them over deaths, celebrated over births-and then for them not to even acknowledge that you are alive. I DID lose my entire friend/social base, as an adult, because I was not 'one foot in one foot out' at that time.

    But you deal with it....and I am doing my best. Jez

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Try being socially active with this combination of things.

    Scandinavian people are known to have introverted personalities. Not everyone of course, but it does seem to be more than found in other nationalities

    Well guess what? I am of Norwegian descent and all of my family are introverted personalities.

    Add the wbts teachings and demands and lack of social activity outside of the cult and we can hardly speak to a stranger.

    I have tried and tried to overcome this. While it has gotten better for me over the years, it is still there.

    I just accept it and live with it. It doesn't seem that big a deal as it used to.

    Outoftheorg

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