social retard (page 6)

Satanus

I just downloaded the text to 'the games people play' by berne, to which zen nudist refered. Starting reading it, it does seem interesting. If someone wants it, pm me you email address.

S

Jez,

When I grew up I can literally count on two hands the ?events? we (in the so called TRUTH?) had in the congregation I was in growing up in the 60? for social contact. Next nearest congregation 36 miles, next to that 74 miles.
Why? Our biggest concern at that time - Vietnam. That consumed our (the males- and the females tried to help us) whole direction in the 60?s. Field service so you could qualify as a minister, nothing else mattered. At least for those that truly beleived in not participating in war.

You said:
? Diamond: Give over! LOL. I am simply offering another alternative. Don't TELL me to try and be a little more sensitive. Don't TELL me that my childhood was utopian. Grow up? Offering another point of view is a healthy way of seeing different perspectives thereby gaining more understanding of your own situation. Not everyone grew up a JW retard. Why are ppl so afraid and so ready to attack anyone that does not neatly fit into their preconcieved notions of what a JW is/should be/will be???????????

Your childhood utopian? Evidently by JW standard it was.

You also said:
?I was NOT a hypocrite. I lived true to myself my teen years. ?

Well, if it looks like a hypocrite, talks like a hypocrite, you know the rest of the story - then it?s a hypocrite. To me you have all the indications of a hypocrite. True to yourself in you teen years ? uhhh ? hypocrite!

Berean

Jez

Berean:

if it looks like a hypocrite, talks like a hypocrite, you know the rest of the story - then it?s a hypocrite. To me you have all the indications of a hypocrite. True to yourself in you teen years ? uhhh ? hypocrite!

Nice example of the black and white thinking that exists amongst JWs. That is a bunch of bullshit. I think an elder said to me once, "If you had sex outside of marriage, you commit adultry, you should be disfellowshipped." Is that what you think? With no understanding of any other factors? See, they KNEW that I lived in an abusive relationship for 14 years, in silence, for them, for Jehovah, for my family, until one night he was arrested and thrown in jail and I survived with my life. They KNEW that the turmoil I was in, they KNEW everything, they knew I met and fell in love with someone way after the seperation, not DURING the marriage, they knew I married him.......etc...they knew intimate things, but you know what it comes down to? YOUR kind of black and white thinking. There is no grey area for a dub. You say you are not a JW anymore? Well, that certainly is a carry-over, you hypocrite.

Growing up a teenager was a grey area for me. I repeat, dont be afraid of anyone that does not fit into your little preconception of what a witness was, is or should be. My dad allowed me to be who I was, my mother was the fanatic and still is. I survived, but not without scars from my teenage years, how much is from being a JW and how much is from just life? Hell! I don't know! Perhaps I will someday, maybe not, whatever. I don't want to dwell on it and am wondering if it even matters for myself.

Also, alot of people on here seem like real good little witnesses. But I believe that there is a strong undercurrent in every congregation of 'double-lifers'. Not a bad thing btw. It was, apparently, a very healthy thing!

Jez

Bryan

Jez,

If you had worldly friends... wow! Growing up I was surrounded with kids I could not even stop and talk to if they walked by our house. Once out of school I went to work for wintesses. It's not easy when you are trained that you must be suspicious of those who are not like you, because they are in Satan's hands!

Bryan

Have You Seen My Mother

Odrade

Jez, I don't think many of us here are questioning that you may have had a nice childhood/teenage life within the JW organization. That is not the problem.

The problem is that you have barrelled into this thread and insinuated that if any of us claim that the JW upbringing screwed up our ability to have normal social interaction, we must be deluded and it's really a flaw in our own characters, and to get over it and stop blaming the JWs because it had nothing to do with them. I know you did not exactly SAY those words, but that was the cumulative effect. Your subsequent posts indicate that you stand by that opinion.

I don't think that was your intent, (I really hope it wasn't) but that's how it came off. Clearly, from the responses on the thread, I'm not the only one who took it that way. Did you mean it that way?

G Money

It just takes practice. I got so much crap for being single. Marry this girl or that. But they were all fat or ugly. I dated models and hotties before the truth. Then the same that told me to hook up would cock block and talk crap behind my back as they were jealous.

Then I would wonder if I was being seen talkin to a worldy girl. One night the local news did a piece on this own party. They panned a shot in a local bar and showed a shot of me talkin to two hottie with very short skirts. I got alot of teasin the next day.

I still feel a bit guilty talkin to some people because we are trained not to associate with worldly people. Also when I am in So. Cal, people are pretty fake and it is such a game you need to play like no other place in the world. Plus there was the worry of gossip and being talked to for some made up rule that was broken.

I'm over alot now and have alot of friends but still the jw way has shaped my personality a bit and I haven't shaken it. I am a shy person although everyone laughs when I tell them that because I can be wild and crazy.

Soledad

Now that I'm out, it is one of the greatest challenges that I face when wanting to share in the worlds activities, social gatherings, one on one hanging out to play video games, even my worldly family members are put on hold, birthday parties and holidays, are often forced, though I usually can find the room to let go and the social excursion often takes on a life of its own. It has been one of the greatest challenges to living, however, no longer being a practicing Jehovah's Witness.

One of the only gracious outlets that exist is the world of employment, there I can at least socialize, although enforced on account of the fact that we are required to be in the prescense of each other, yet even there it has a tendency to be superficial, as those for the most part I've been employed with have rarely been regarded as friend worthy, and that's from both sides of the street. Though in my life there have been a select few that I was able to forge relationships with apart from the job, they for the most part have been few and far between.

damn, what a great topic, and what a painful one, for me at least. I could not have expressed it better than what's written above.

BeautifulGarbage

The problem is that you have barrelled into this thread and insinuated that if any of us claim that the JW upbringing screwed up our ability to have normal social interaction, we must be deluded and it's really a flaw in our own characters, and to get over it and stop blaming the JWs because it had nothing to do with them. I know you did not exactly SAY those words, but that was the cumulative effect. Your subsequent posts indicate that you stand by that opinion.

I've been reading this thread and I would completely agree with these words. Jez's experience is the exception, not the rule. I'm happy that she was able to enjoy the best of both worlds and perhaps NOT have the heavy JW emotional baggage to carry around. Bottom line is many people are profoundly affected in a negative way. Especially, if one has never known anything else, i.e., raised a JW. Though I think she is entitled to her opinion, her approach needs considerable work.

Jez, it wouldnt hurt you to see the affect your words may have on others

MerryMagdalene

Hey, everybody! I've been kinda bizzy lately and am just now checking back in... I had no idea this topic was going to take root and grow like this.

I feel so moved by everyone's personal experiences. The carry-over for a lot of us after coming out of the bOrg kind of reminds me of post-traumatic stress (although I don't know a whole lot about that).

(((((all of you)))))

Right now, I just want to say: social retards, losers, out-casts, geeks, freaks and weirdos ROCK !!! and so do all you well-adjusted normal type folk... so let's tear down those illusory walls between us, respect where each other is coming from (whether we understand it or not) and have a big old on-line aposta-love-fest

Are ya with me?

~Merry (of the I'm in love, can't you tell? class)

GetBusyLiving

:aposta-love-fest

Are ya with me?

Need you ask?

GBL

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