How do you defend your god's inaction? (page 2)

LittleToe

We probably agree on quite a lot, but methinks you know that

defd

How do you defend to yourself that your god has not in any modern situation saved his people from anything?

People of all faiths are regularly killed by various natural elements. Of course, if you knew such a thing was going to befall a person and you could do something to protect them, you would. But no one's god ever does.

How do we KNOW that he hasnt saved anybody? Besides, his word says that He would help us THROUGH, make a WAY OUT of temptations.

AlmostAtheist

I would interpret that text to mean that if someone asks you, you should be able to present a case for why you believe something.

Hey LT,

Thanks for coming to the party!

This is what I'm looking for. When YOU see bad things happening and god does nothing about it, how do you make it ok in your own mind? I'm not asking anyone to prove it to me, I'm just curious about how they handle it themselves.

Your answer sounds like my question might simply be a non-issue for you, sort of like asking why Wal-Mart doesn't do something about all the leaves in my yard. Not their yard, not their concern, end of discussion.

I don't understand how you can have that view, but if that's your answer then that's cool. If I've misunderstood, please correct me.

Thanks!

Dave

LittleToe

Dave: That's mostly my view, with a rider - that Walmart have a leaf-blower which they are happy to lend me, if I need it, complete with operator - I need only ask. Ultimately they expect me to be able to blow my own leaves, though. That'd be twice I've come out with something that can be taken another way, today

AlmostAtheist

How do we KNOW that he hasnt saved anybody? Besides, his word says that He would help us THROUGH, make a WAY OUT of temptations

Good point, DefD. Perhaps he does save some and let others get horribly disfigured or killed. But that raises more questions than it answers, chief among them "Why?"

I understand that there's no promise in the Bible of divine protection -- at least none that anyone that would interpret to really mean that -- but god would still be seeing all these things and doing nothing about them. If I did that, they'd put me in jail for "depraved indifference". If that's ok when god does it, then it is. I'm not questioning the rule, I'm just curious about how you personally reconcile it in your own mind.

Dave

defd

but god would still be seeing all these things and doing nothing about them. If I did that, they'd put me in jail for "depraved indifference". If that's ok when god does it, then it is. I'm not questioning the rule, I'm just curious about how you personally reconcile it in your own mind.

Dave

And thats where we differ. Jehovah HAS done something about it. He has put a plan into motion and it will come true. In the mean time He does offer RELIEF from this worlds sorrow.If you had ever been a witness you already know the biblical reason why God PERMITS suffering and what He has done to eliminate it forever. I cannot tell you anything different. I truely and wholeheartedly BELIEVE it. That is what drives me.

LittleToe

I don't understand how you can have that view, but if that's your answer then that's cool.

How is my view of "Man is god of this world" any different to the atheists' view that "Man is god of this world"?

Scully

And thats where we differ. Jehovah HAS done something about it. He has put a plan into motion and it will come true. In the mean time He does offer RELIEF from this worlds sorrow.

How does Jehovah spell RELIEF? And how does the RELIEF he offers in the future, but real soon help people who are suffering NOW? How does reading a WT publication fill the belly of a child suffering from hunger and starvation? How does reading a WT publication provide shelter for someone whose home was destroyed in a hurricane?

daystar

How is my view of "Man is god of this world" any different to the atheists' view that "Man is god of this world"?

I suppose I should not answer since the question wasn't posed to me. However, I think the difference is that one believes that there is a God, and the other does not.

Then again, I see a bit of a straw man here. Who says that that is the atheists' view? Perhaps a more accurate statement of the atheist view is "There is no god but man."

LittleToe

I should have elaborated. I meant in the manner in which we live our lives and treat our fellow-man.

If it's a straw man, feel free to burn it, but if I had felt it were such I wouldn't have offered it as a conversational point to consider.

How do you defend your god's inaction?

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