Posts by zack

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Comments You Will Not Year At the 6-3-07 WT Study (BUILD UP CONG?)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 06-03-07 wt study (april 15, 2007, pages 25-29)(congregation built up?).

review comments will be in red.

wt material from today's wt will be in black.

zack

I once told an elder in my cong. who had very negative views about some sports, but who himself loved fishing, that if he didn't quit putting down golf and basketball from the platform that I would weave into a talk how fishing was ungodly. I then proceeded to cite three scriptures to him. He lay low about his personal opinions on sports for a while.

My point to him was that if you are determined enough, you can labor a few scriptures to say whatever you want them to. And that's what the WTS does. They're wholly dishonest and corrupt. They are not and have never been part of the Body of Christ because they shut up the kingdom of God to their members a lifetime ago. They are anti-christ and, moreover anti-spirit, and that is the very reason there is no love and no truth within their ranks: neither christ nor the spirit of God are within their midst. And when people think about leaving, it is because they have not felt Christ or God's spirit within their congregation. Everything JW is forced and enforced. Paul said that where the Spirit of God was, there was freedom also. Where is the freedom in the Org? There is only freedom OUTSIDE the Org. JW's who love God do well to heed his warning: Get out of her, my people!

Thanks Blondie.

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Kansas City DC summary

by stillajwexelder in

ok just got back from the dc in kansas city.

i know there has been a thread on the dc already but i will post "highlights" or lowlights depending on one's opinion, of the dc in kc on this thread.. 1) bethel speakers so far 1 from patterson bethel, 1 from brooklyn bethel and 1 from walkill bethel + governing body speaker anthony morris 111. friday major talk on christ on last talk by morris.

illustarted earthquake in armenia few yaers ago.

zack

Thanks for the review. This year the DC will be held in my home city. I plan to be at the coast and not at the roast.

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Why did you leave the org?

by A-Team in

were you dfed, did you find out some lies about the org?.

what was the last straw?

zack

Because they're evil.

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Told To Buy Emergency Kits ...Ever Heard of This?

by TheKings in

a couple months ago my jw mom told me that in all the book study groups for their congregation they were told to go out and by emergency kits because "things were getting so bad".

i restrained myself from rolling my eyes.

has anyone else heard of this happening?

zack

A letter read to the BOE about a year ago gave the elders explicit instructions on what to do in case of an emergency like a hurricane. The main thing I walked away with after that meeting is that Book Study Oveerseers were to collect phone numbers, cell numbers, the names and contact info of relatives of all in the Book Study. He in turn would give this info to the secretary who would compile a master list and give to each elder. The PO would then transmit this list to the CO. In the event of something like Katrina, the Book Study Overseer was instructed to contact each family in his group, ascertain what preperations they had made in advance of the coming event, if any, and then report that to the PO, who would reprot to the CO. They want the cong. to KNOW who is staying, who is leaving, where they will be, whom they will be with, and the ability to get in touch with them. No specific mention of any supplies was made that I can recall except for the observation that any living in an area where they may be subject to such events should keep water and non perishables in sufficient supply to ride out the period between the initial event and the arrival of external aid. The BOE where I was in took it upon themselves to have the BS Overseers make lists of what each family should have on hand and distribute this to their BS members. The thinking was that there was no way an elder could, on the eve of a coming hurricane, make sure all the families in his BS group had supplies on hand and if not get those supplies for them, take care of his job, and take care of his family.

Three weeks after this letter was read to my BOE the secretary asked me for my home number. I told him it was non-published and he couldn't have it. He insisted, quoting from the letter that was read. I thanked him for his concern and told him in no uncertain terms that I was very capable of taking care of my own family and he wasn't getting my number or cell number.

That weekend we went to dinner at the house of a couple we are close to. Their pantry was stocked with guess what? Canned foods, bottled water, candles, first aid kit. (Very out of character for these two.) I asked the wife what that was all about, and she said her husband gave her a lsit of things to get and stock in case of an emergency.

While none of this seemed like a bad idea to me, what I found intolerable was the WTS reach into every crevice of a person's life. They find nothing that is off limits.

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Was man created perfect?

by moshe in

the bible explains that adam and eve were created human and because they had eaten from the tree of knowledge good and evil, they became almost like god and the angels.- gen 3:22-24. they knew the difference between good and bad, which the rest of the animals did not.

god kicked them out of the garden of eden to keep them from eating from the tree of life and becoming immortal- just like god.

if they had been able to get to the tree of life, they could have lived forever.

zack

Though I do not agree with everything said, I never fully accepted the whole Garden of Eden story as purely a historical recounting. Even as a child growing up as a JW,

I felt that Adam and Eve should get another chance to get it right. We were always told that humans make mistakes and what we do with the knowledge of those mistakes

is what determines our character, whether good or bad. Adam and Eve never had that chance. They weren't allowed a mistake. They had to get it right the first time and facing forces

which were smarter and more powerful than they were. They had no frame of reference, only a direct command (according to the story.) They were in many respects like children.

The more you look at it the more it looks like they were almost destined to fail, or maybe succeed depending on how you look at it.

As for the concept of perfection, that's something I never found in the Bible. Sin and sinlessness, perhaps--- but not perfection.

Maybe God got what he wanted after all---- beings who struggle, grope, even in the dark for something better, something more---- maybe it's the struggle that makes us beautiful to God.

Children who make lemonades from lemons, who do the best they can, and who love deeply and with fire even in the face of death.

I know that I would rather struggle and learn then be some lobotomized replica of the "perfect" man.

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Latest Society edict: proper dress after conventions

by B_Deserter in

i left the organization in my heart a year ago, i stopped going to meetings a week ago.

this was recently announced for the upcoming convention.

jeans and t-shirts are not to be worn in public after each day's convention program.

zack

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

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Strange Talks

by AgentSmith in

the thread regarding how the ms and elders keeping up the facade while knowing its all wrong made me think of something.. this happened in the ministerial service meeting.

the ms started his part on the program but it was soon evident that he was not firing on all cylinders.

his speech was monotone, slurred even.

zack

A public talk about an invisible kingdom with earthly representatives who somehow have super perceptive powers and bring enlightenment to all mankind.

Weird, huh?

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Do you think that the 'Convention' tract work will seem silly to most?

by AK - Jeff in

in this territory it will mean 'inviting' people to a religious convention about 200 miles away, about a religion that most already do not care about.

i believe this could be a 'tactical error' on the part of the gb, who seem mostly interesting in keeping the urgency level on high with this.

but as far as future converts are concerned, won't most people who were riding the fence as to classifying this group as a cult, go ahead and jump down on the affirmative side of the fence with this stupidity?

zack

Yes. Crazy. Lunacy. Idiocy.

To think that I used to believe we were doing God's work. Warning people. Extending the love of God to them.

And all the time those people knew better than I. Those goats at the door knew more truth than I ever had.

Have I mentioned the WTS are evil?

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How many Dubs REALLY want the end to come?

by zack in

jw
friends

many of the dubs i know don't really want the end to come.

sure, they like the idea of youth in perpetuity, good health, no death, peace.... who doesn't?

they want those things to end.. but in their heart of hearts, do you really think they actually long for the destruction of other human beings that are so graphically depicted in the pubs?.

zack

I was thinking more along the lines of what Blondie was saying. Yes, the beleievers want the knigdom to come and the benefits, but in a way the thought of everything

you have ever known being totally uprooted is disconcerting.

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Do You Think The Leaders Of The Watchtower Truly Believe What They Say?

by minimus in

jw
friends

does the governing body and its helpers really believe what they teach?

there's so much emphasis on the great tribulation, once again, i wonder if they believe that the end is soooooo close.

i know some of the "faithful" believe everything hook, line and sinker.

zack

The bullshit artist, the really good one with strokes reminiscent of Renoir or Van Gogh, delivers his bullshit with the sincerity of a true believer, He doesn't believe the

substance of what he says, but believes in his own pathological need for you to believe it. The GB are the best BS artists in all creation under the sun. Who else but they could devise

and perpetuate religious ideology that is often akin to fratricide and believe that it is ''for the good of the flock." They are patronizing and evil, shameful in their arrogance, and culpable for

all the hearts they have broken and every spirit they have bowed down. Their own publications say that God will not excuse ignorance when ignorance is willful. How then can God,

even their God, excuse them? They know the TRUTH but love the LIE. To the true BS artist, the LIE is so much sweeter.