hi patricia,.................. you had alot of spirit, when you were young..........it was real.....
i think alot of that spirit came from your good heart.
we learn things in life from many sources, bad and good.
i am a "newbie" that has been "lurking" and commenting on a couple of posts over the last six months.
i was somewhat intimidated by some of the comments on the board so i didn't feel comfortable in introducing myself.
since simon seems to be dealing with some of the more "aggressive" posters i felt the time had come to introduce myself.
hi patricia,.................. you had alot of spirit, when you were young..........it was real.....
i think alot of that spirit came from your good heart.
we learn things in life from many sources, bad and good.
indulgence instead of abstinence.
vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
i don't really agree with no. 8 .......
; my mother is jw i was 15 years old at the time my mom would go house to house with the wife of the brother and my dad went to work sensce the morning to night this happened over the summer (by the way i never was interested in this religion i thought it was boring and i didnt accept alot of things they did) well anyways back to that summer i was at home alone mom with the sister ,dad at work and the husband of the sister hernandez went to my house told me he wanted to read me the bible we sat down on a table we had outside and started to read the bible as he read he pulled out his penis to me i was in shock and scared i ran inside the house locked everydooor when my mom got home i told her what happened and she called me a lier you acusser you have the devil in you those were her words i told my dad he did nothing sensce my mom was very controlling with him, the next several days he would call and harass me and go knock on all the windows of my house when my mom was with his wife, 5 years later i got married and my hubby and i started to study with them there was a part where the brother said that in the jw they wer clean and perfect and that nobody did anything wrong so i brought up the padst and told them my story the did a little investigation and found 5 other girls who by now were now married and they decided to do a little court and the only reason why they didnt df himn was because i could not describe his penis if it was circumsise or not at that time ididnt even know what that was now i do because i have my kids i told myself how could this religion allowed someone like this be teeling the word of god and putting god first and then doing something so terrible!
now my brother is baptised he dont talk to me anymore because i wont forget about the past and i commit to the jw well his lost .
all my life i felt that my mom never loved me.
hi theresa,........ i'm sure stuff like that happens alot in the jw religion........even when it's not about sex............ and if you speak out about it, you are labled a liar............... men are given positions of authority, and the whole organization is set up to promote that authority and ridicule and expel anyone who questions them.
Edited by - crawdad2 on 4 July 2002 19:38:22
mr. bowen .
i was glad to see you and your efforts hear in minnesota!.
being that anyone can come forward with an accusation, how .
hi nancy park........... just a quick question for you,...........if jerimiah and isaiah would have went to the philistenes or babylonians to reform them...... to clean up their problems........ would god have helped them accomplish that?
i am frankly tired of hearing the name of joseph rutherford taken to task so regularly and with such little respect accorded to it.
not everything that this gigolo of freedom said was incorrect.
in fact any sympathetic jw who is viewing this message would be well advised to take the following words of troubled joe, very seriously indeed : "how may a man "seek meekness"?
hi hillary
........ talk is cheap.......... the hypocrite liar rutherford said, the meek he(god) will guide in judgment...........and the meek will he teach his way..................... rutherford was neither meek, nor honest........and as a result he was not guided by god's spirit............ the spirit of haughtiness ruled over his whole life.......... he remained a cult leader till his death............... many of his followers, however.......followed the spirit of god right out of the jw cult.
Edited by - crawdad2 on 4 July 2002 16:52:17
not marry an unbeliever (nwt for all scriptures).
deuteronomy 21:10-13 ***.
10 "in case you go out to the battle against your enemies and jehovah your god has given them into your hand and you have carried them away captive; 11 and you have seen among the captives a woman beautiful in form, and you have got attached to her and taken her for your wife, 12 you must then bring her into the midst of your house.
numbers 15: 11-27.........those verses, in the hands of a wicked priesthood,......... mean sure death to any woman who's husband wants to have her killed.
Edited by - crawdad2 on 4 July 2002 17:19:7
hi bill............. so...... you have the most qualified victims coming to your site........and you give them to attorneys who sue for only................ $ 50.000?.....................as in the case of heidi meyer............. and she has to go through hell ......"again"......and be ridiculed in court, and made to expose her most private sensitive issues on how she got molested........ for a lousey $50,000?............
bill, are you scratching the gov bodys back or something?
re-victimizing the victims is what's going on...........re-victimizing victims with the best cases who have suffered greatly, for a major portion of their lives, at the hands of a cult. ......... victims who have the courage to come forward to help other victims, by going the distance in court, and taking big pieces of power away from the gov body. ................... they are being talked out of suing for big money, as bill bowen works his plan to fix a cult that can't be fixed............ they are being talked into sacrificing their right to be justly compensated, in order to help bill bowen as he thinks he can salvage a cult.
Edited by - crawdad2 on 4 July 2002 12:21:36
hi bill............. so...... you have the most qualified victims coming to your site........and you give them to attorneys who sue for only................ $ 50.000?.....................as in the case of heidi meyer............. and she has to go through hell ......"again"......and be ridiculed in court, and made to expose her most private sensitive issues on how she got molested........ for a lousey $50,000?............
bill, are you scratching the gov bodys back or something?
bill,.......what are you doing?..............tell me if this is it,........... you don't want to hurt the gov body, you just want to fix them alittle,.........suing them for too much would destroy the organization........right? .............so you stockpile the most qualified victims, advising them to sue for just a tiny, tiny little amount..........that way it won't hurt the organization, as you try to fix it.....
hi bill............. so...... you have the most qualified victims coming to your site........and you give them to attorneys who sue for only................ $ 50.000?.....................as in the case of heidi meyer............. and she has to go through hell ......"again"......and be ridiculed in court, and made to expose her most private sensitive issues on how she got molested........ for a lousey $50,000?............
bill, are you scratching the gov bodys back or something?
hi bill............. so...... you have the most qualified victims coming to your site........and you give them to attorneys who sue for only................ $ 50.000?.....................as in the case of heidi meyer............. and she has to go through hell ......"again"......and be ridiculed in court, and made to expose her most private sensitive issues on how she got molested........ for a lousey $50,000?............ bill, are you scratching the gov bodys back or something?
women sue jehovah's witnesses.
the associated press, .
no one answered the phone tuesday at the church in , about 60 miles northwest of the twin cities.
hi bill.................fifty thousand is way to cheap........ it's not fair to the victims.