Posts by Santisimo

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Paul's "full gospel" did NOT mention 144,000...

by bebu in

from reflecting on what paul writes in his letters, it is obvious he had never taught anything like the wts doctrines concerning the little flock (144,000) or the slave class, or any other unique jw gospel concept.

yet he was clear that he was preaching the entire gospel everywhere.. i picked out the following verses (you can find more but these are the most obvious) to show that 1) paul said his authority for the gospel he preached was given by god; 2) that he preached the gospel fully; and that he condemned any person or angel who preached a different gospel.

have you ever noticed, then, that though paul clarified the gospel in all of his letters in a variety of ways, the odd doctrines of the jws/wts were never once mentioned by paul?

Santisimo

Paul NEVER met Jesus and therefore has no authority over anything. Paul converted to Christianity long after Jesus died. Paul created his own religion in the same way the JWs are creating their own today. Unfortunately, there will will always be millions of people who are willing to follow the path of the WTS because they are not capable of seeing for themselves what God REALLY wants from mankind. Paul "preached" to people who were less educated than he was. If he really did know what he was talking about there would have obtained a larger following. Instead, all he accomplished was the creation of a small cult. Had it not been for the murderous Constantine who hijacked Paul's religion, it would have remained unknown til this day.

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The JW do not believe in Deuteronomy 18:20-222

by headmath in

here is some rubbish from the awake magazine .

awake!

1993 march 22 pp.3-4 why so many false alarms?.

Santisimo

This text applies to Jesus more than anyone else. Much of what he said never happened. Jesus was sent to mankind as a test by God to see if he would remain loyal to the ONE creator. Mankind has obviously failed in this regard. God is ONE. There is no salvation outside of Him. He said it himself in that same book of Deuteronomy.

To say that God has, or needs a son to create the world is to place a limit on Him. God is a spiritual force. Spiritual beings cannot have children. Humans need children in order to continue the existence of the species. God does not need anyone to ensure his continuity.

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Who is Jesus? Is he God?

by BelieverInJesus in

i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.

Santisimo

Jesus is not God, or a Messiah for that matter. If he were God's annointed, the world would have been a much better place because of him, this is hardly the case. Furthermore, Jesus did not do anything that was written in prophecy about the Messiah. The few texts offered by JWs as proof are actually taken out of context.

The Christian view of Satan is also very flawed. Satan is a force created by God to ensure that we have freedom of choice in this world. Just as God created positive and negative particles, so he created positive (Angels) and negative (demons) forces to create balance in our world. Satan does not make humans kill or rape or steal. The Satan (as translated from Hebrew) or "The Evil Inclination" is merely a force that presents us the option of doing evil just as God gives us the chance to do good. Depending on OUR decision, so the results will be.

We will never know what it was like to live in a pure and just world. It is a concept we cannot comprehend because we only understand good AND evil. We will never understand how it was possible for Adam and Eve to walk naked in this world without shame, or for their children to find marriage partners from the same family because we have knowledge of both good and evil.

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Armageddon Imagery

by JimWood in

hey, can anyone get me a great armageddon image?

-- i seem to have lost my paradise brochure and i need one for a philosophy project tomorrow.

i know danny haszard usually drops the one into his posts, the one with the woman falling into the crevice, does anyone else have the ability to find or put it on here for my use?

Santisimo

After looking at those images you have to wonder if the JW God is like Allah, who also likes burning down buildings with people under them.

If Jehovah is this viscious, who the fuck needs Allah?

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LOGICAL PROOF THAT JW IS A FALSE RELIGION.

by Santisimo in

the following is logical and indisputable proof that the religion of the wts is false.

assume that this were a conversation between a jw and a non-believer (non believer shown in red).

this example will show you how clear the logic is:.

Santisimo

The following is logical and indisputable proof that the religion of the WTS is false. Assume that this were a conversation between a JW and a non-believer (non believer shown in red). This example will show you how clear the logic is:

"Do you believe that blood transfusions are acceptable?" . The Witness will respond by saying that transfusions are contrary to their beliefs.

"Where is this teaching found in the Bible?". He or she will now proceed to read from Genesis 9:4 where it says that flesh was acceptable to eat, but not blood.

"Stupid question, but this is in the Old Testament, the Hebrew Scriptures right?". The JW will now confirm that it is in the Old Testament.

"Did God ever cancel the observance of this law? If so, please show me.". The JW will tell you that such law has always been in effect.

"If this law was still in force, then all the others should still be in place. After all, if any of the laws were abolished by God, it would have been recorded in the scriptures correct?". The JW will once again agree with you.

"Do Witnesses believe that they are a true religion?". The JW will probably smile at this question an say "yes" without hesitation.

"Is it because they do everything that is commanded in the Bible?". The JW will again confirm your statement in the affirmative.

"So if the JWs believe their religion is true, why is it that they only follow this commandment and none of the others? What about the commandment to observe the Sabbath? What about the commandment to obstain from pork and shellfish? If Jesus' sacrifice 'abolished' The Law, why is it that you still follow the commandment to stay away from blood?" You can be sure that at this point, the JW will have no response to this, there is no logical response to this question. There is no response that would help a JW prove that their religion is true if they can't prove this statement wrong.

"If Jesus came here to put an end to the law, why did he observe the Passover? Why did he tell his followers to observe the commandments and the direction of the rabbis at Matthew 23?". There will be no answer to this.

"One last question, why is it that the first congregation of followers of Jesus observed ALL the commandments in the Hebrew Scriptures and you don't?" At this point, any JW will try to close the conversation and refer you to one of their elders for a response. Why? Because most Christians (except for educated clergy and some JW elders) are unaware that the first congregation that existed after the death of Jesus was made up of mostly Jews. Yes, the first followers of Jesus were Jews. The gentiles who did believe in Jesus had to first learn to practice Judaism and observe its laws in order to join the congregation. James was a prime example of this and furthermore, he was known as the first leader of this congregation. After he was killed by other Jews who didn't believe Jesus was the messiah it was Paul who took over the church. It was Paul who removed the obligation of observance of the commandments. In essence, all modern-Christians are followers of Paul, not Jesus. Why? Jesus lived and died as a practicing Jew. Perhaps not the best example of a Jew, but a Jew regardless.

The JWs and the WTS believe that they have the 'true religion'. The fact is that they don't and they are just as far from 'the truth' as any other Christian religion would be. If anything, they have confused matters more by forcing it's members to follow ONE of God's direct commandments to mankind, yet ignoring the dozens of others that were given. Logically, this does not add up. A TRUE religion follows ALL OF GODS COMMANDMENT'S, not man's, not Paul's and certainly not those of a mysterious 'governing body'.

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Has the WTS unofficially removed the U.N. from it's doctrine?

by Santisimo in

does anyone know if the wts has mentioned the united nations in any of it's magazines aside from the kingdom news publication?

i get thefeeling that the wts has done a complete turn around on this matter and left all the j-dubs out of the loop.. as it is, there is absolutely no sign that the u.n. is trying to destroy religions anywhere in the world.

i can't imagine the u.n. ever taking a stand against radical islam much less the wts.

Santisimo

Does anyone know if the WTS has mentioned the United Nations in any of it's magazines aside from the Kingdom News publication? I get thefeeling that the WTS has done a complete turn around on this matter and left all the J-Dubs out of the loop.

As it is, there is absolutely NO sign that the U.N. is trying to destroy religions anywhere in the world. I can't imagine the U.N. ever taking a stand against radical Islam much less the WTS. Who would want to spend the money (and bullets) to get rid of a religion like the JWs who don't even have a political presence? They don't even represent 1% of the global population!

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URGENT--Need High Quality Scans of Special Campaign Tract

by XJW4EVR in

i have been asked to give a presentation on j-dubs sunday night, and i would like to use scans of the special tract for my powerpoint presentation.. you help will be greatly appreciated..

Santisimo

It's interesting to see how the WTS completely avoided the United Nations in this brochure. My question is, has the WTS mentioned the U.N. in any of the magazines over the past year or so?....

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Jesus Has Returned!

by Santisimo in

jw
friends

http://www.creciendoengracia.com/.

this is not a joke, there's a nut in puerto rico who swears he's jesus.

he has a couple of million followers who seem to believe him too.

Santisimo

http://www.creciendoengracia.com/

This is not a joke, there's a nut in Puerto Rico who SWEARS he's Jesus. He has a couple of million followers who seem to believe him too. There's rumors floating around that he's planning a HUGE protest in front of the WTS headquarters in Brooklyn.

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Report of bin Laden's death...

by Funchback in

i don't know if it's true or not.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14963302/.

french paper says bin laden died in pakistansaudi arabia is convinced al-qaida leader died of typhoid, paper saysupdated: 48 minutes agoparis - a french regional newspaper quoted a french secret service report on saturday as saying that saudi arabia is convinced that al-qaida leader osama bin laden died of typhoid in pakistan last month.. l'est republicain printed what it said was a copy of the report dated sept. 21 and said it was shown to president jacques chirac, prime minister dominique de villepin and france's interior and defense ministers on the same day.

according to a usually reliable source, the saudi services are now convinced that osama bin laden is dead, the document said.. the information gathered by the saudis indicates that the head of al-qaida was a victim while he was in pakistan on aug. 23, 2006, of a very serious case of typhoid which led to a partial paralysis of his internal organs.. the report, which was stamped with a confidential defense label and the initials of the french secret service, said saudi arabia first heard the information on sept. 4 and that it was waiting for more details before making an official announcement.. officials contacted by reuters in chirac's and villepin's offices had no immediate comment.. a senior official in pakistan's interior ministry said: "we have no information about osama's death.".

Santisimo

Bin Laden might be dead, but there's millions of other islamic-freaks still walking the earth. That's even worse.

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NEW TRACT

by stillajwexelder in

sorry if posted elsewhere.

the new tract (kingdom news 37) was released last night.

letter read to congregation.

Santisimo

Can you post a pdf of this?