There is no standard of righteousness in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, or any other organization that harbors child sex abusers. Except perhaps sub-standard.
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Francois
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"Old Light" from the apostles ?
by thinker inthe watchtower society uses the apostles words to justify the act of shunning.. "purposes served by disfellowshipping: .
upholds jehovah's name and standard of righteousness.
(acts 15:14; 1 pet.
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message for seven006
by jonjonsimons indave,.
just checking to see if today is going better for you than yesterday.
i know your dealing with some tough issues right now.
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Francois
What's happening with Dave and can any of us help? I'm in Savannah, Ga and that's not too far from Florida. Waz up?
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Why are the JW's so bad?
by DF ini've been studying the bible with a jehovah's witness in my town, and i'm rather enjoying it.. but why do so many people hate the jw's.. i've researched on my own and have come to the conclusion that they are right on most accounts including the trinity, blood, nationalism... etc.... and the more arguments i hear against the more i'm drawn into believing what they stand for.. and every argument i've seen in support of the things jw's are against the more i think the jw's are right.. so why are they so bad?
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Francois
And then there's the possibility that DF is just another active JW who thinks he's distracting this board from its purpose.
Desperate people do desperate things.
Franc
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Why are the JW's so bad?
by DF ini've been studying the bible with a jehovah's witness in my town, and i'm rather enjoying it.. but why do so many people hate the jw's.. i've researched on my own and have come to the conclusion that they are right on most accounts including the trinity, blood, nationalism... etc.... and the more arguments i hear against the more i'm drawn into believing what they stand for.. and every argument i've seen in support of the things jw's are against the more i think the jw's are right.. so why are they so bad?
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Francois
DF, you don't know anything for a fact. You are a wet behind the ears JW "study" who believes what you are told. If you will close your mouth and open your eyes, ears, and mind the people here may be able to save you from yourself.
If not, I suggest you leave here, never come back, plunge yourself into the JWs, ... and learn for yourself the hard way what you could have learned here painlessly.
Can you spell gullible?
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A STRONG ORGANIZATION NEEDS NOT TO HIDE ANYTHING
by friendorfoe ini have been able to keep my feelings about the jw organization on the back burner for several years now after going thru therapy and several sleepless years but now its time to speak my peace.
this is my third time on this board and the sneaking and cover-ups of the organization disgusts me.
you would think that if they had god behind them that much no matter what happened within the organization they would deal with it the proper way including contacting the authortities when required they might get more respect from the outside.. i was always taught it was wrong to judge other people but it was the elders passing judgement and not god that ran me away.. to sum it up they are worried about the outside world judging the organization but they better pray that jehovah isn't half as judgemental as they are.
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Francois
Kent, once again you've nailed the society right between the eyes. They do indeed need persecution. On one level, they need it so they can be seen as fulfilling the scripture about Jesus' followers being the objects of persecution.
But more importantly, the need it (and in many, many cases manufacture it out of thin air) because of its value as a unifying agent. It gives a sense of solidarity to the group. And it justifies their group hate. Remember the "two minutes hate" in 1984?
The more you know about Jehovah's Witnesses, the more you can realize how very dangerous they really are. Thank God they have no political power, or we would all be in big trouble, or in jail, or dead. If they ever change their policy of strict political neutrality, I for one think those of us who see them for what they really are will have some powerful, soul-searching questioning to do.
Francois
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Interesting accidental circumstances
by Kent ininteresting accidental circumstances .
have anybody but me been wondering why so many people and new posters pop up from nowhere the last weeks, attacking all and everyone?
i find this interesting; since its obvious the attackers do have a special agenda.
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Francois
I think you've made an excellent point, Kent. We do seem to be so predictable in our reaction sometimes. The point has been made that you become very much like the thing you hate - only in reverse. Is there any difference between a proton and an anti-proton? And who would want to go through life with no greater distinction than being an EX Jehovah's Witness?
I've thought, too, that we provide the WT with the very ammunition they need to attack us. Look at the stuff from the WT in another recent post (disremember the name) that deals with so-called apostate's behavior toward one another. Of course, if we weren't giving them their ammunition, they'd make it up, but still we don't have to grease our own skids.
There are many reasons why people on this site are so angry. Not the least of which is the fact that this cult, which promised so much to us beginning in infancy (for so many of us) ultimately delivered nothing but doctrinal instability, theological U-turns, failed prophecy, deadly policies, conditional love, hypocrisy, lies, and mind control. And people with the intelligence, the chutzpah, moxie, balls, to call a spade a spade and walk out in the teeth of the loss of family and friends are hardly shrinking violets.
So when the mental midgets show up here and provoke any and all with their personal attacks, we obligingly show our worst.
Doesn't that make us as automoton-like as we say the witnesses are? Haven't we become just like the thing we despise? Is there any difference between a proton and an anti-proton?
Gandhi said that anger conserved could be transmuted into a powerful and irresistible force. He apparently had a point. Perhaps we should put as much of Gandhi's concepts of ahimsa and satyagraha into our challenges to WT hegemony as we can. Seems to have worked for him.
Just a thought.
Francois
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You Know...nice apostate stuff
by ISP inyeah...i was looking at your stuff that you posted down the board.
plenty of yk bible 'insights'........of course none of which would be supported with references to wts publications.the wts would reject all that stuff and df you if you tried spreading it in your community.. .
after all the wts said in the 1.8.01 wt page 14.... he does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to bible understanding.. .
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Francois
YouNo personifies the hallmark of Jehovah's Witnesses, a sneering, leering hypocrisy...the main reason I left them to ferment in their own shit.
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Watchtower PR Statement 8-7-01
by silentlambs inpublic affairs office.
for immediate release august7, 2001 .
sexual abuse of children is a terrible crime that can leave lasting emotional scars on its victims.
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Francois
The JW public relations letter at the head of this thread makes a very bad assumption. It assumes that ALL child sex abusers are MEN. That is simply ignorance and stereotyping hard at work.
True, the incidence of child sex abuse is far higher with men than it is with women. However, there are a significant number of child sex abusers who are women. And it seems that when the abuser is a woman, the abuse is more studied, more cruel, and even more damaging - if you can conceive of such a thing.
In perpetuating this stereotype, the WTB&TS ONCE AGAIN DOES A TERRIBLE DISSERVICE TO THE PEOPLE WHO MOST NEED HELP.
Jesus H. Christ, can't those bastards get ANYTHING right???
Francois
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Truth hurts
by Decidedly_Unsure ini can't believe it's all a sham!
remember before i was baptized, i wondered onto a hostile site and felt a sickening dread, when i confronted the sister who studied with me she reassured me that i shouldn't worry, all the stuff on those sites are written by bitter outcasts who have nothing constructive to offer, "after all", she said, ""did you ever read anything upbuilding there?
" well, here i am baptized, back on the net 4 years later and wham!!
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Do you have access to "Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose"? In it you will find reports of Rutherford and other JW leader's attempts to get religious leaders of their to debate the bible, theology, hell, etc. Very few would debate, and much was made of this fact by the WTB&TS. The fact that the religious leaders wouldn't debate was prima facie evidence, according to the WT, that they didn't have God on their side. They'd be more confident to debate if they did, we were told in this book.
The WTB&TS has been challenged twice on this site to a public debate. Any reasonable time. Any reasonable place. The debate topic was to have been "The organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is a religious cult." The challenger was me. Little ol' me. No special training. No special talent. Just the confidence that comes with following the leading of the spirit, and that's all.
No takers.
The cowardly bastards are afraid to come out and debate little ol' me.
Makes you wonder why they did so much crowing in the above-referenced book about how the willingness to engage in public debate was a perfect measure of the truthfulness of one's religion. And of course this isn't their only hypocrisy.
Think about it.
Francois
Where it is a duty to worship the Sun you can be sure that a study of the laws of heat is a crime.
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Should you write to the society?
by sleepy inwhen someone comes across something in the "truth" that disterbs them should they write to the society or is this pointless?.
i think they should write for several reasons.. 1.you must give them at least a chance to present their side of the story.it is no good just relying for others for your information you can not be shure what the society really belive until you hear it from them yourself.. wasn't just relying on the judgement of others part of what got you in in the first place.. its good for us to try and advance in our way of thinking during life and part of this involves doing our own research which is not complete until we go to the source of our conflict.. also if you bring up the point with someone it gives more weight to your argument if mention you wrote to the society and this was their answer.. 2. the more poeple that write in with the same points the more difficult it will be for them to hold to an erroneous stand.. the more different people that write the more ways of expresing the point will be heared different ways will make sence to different people.. remember its not just the same person answering all letters but different people who will have to do research an answer your point, which could make them think.. (this assumes that the society is genuinely mistaken and not corupt, although it could be a bit of both).
of cource if you do not want hassle off your elders dont tell the society you are a brother/sister or just give a different name ,prehaps you could give the address of your place of work or somewhere else if you don't want to be traced easily.. in my case i just made it sound like i was an intrested person.. or you could make out that you need some help in presenting the societies case to an intrested person who has quetions.
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Francois
I wrote to the society back in the mid-70s about an elder who was the most egregiously execreable bastard I've ever known. It was about ten pages, legal size, single-spaced, and typed. It went off like a canon. Sparing you the gory and lengthy details, it resulted in getting the offending, offensive elder - C.B. Mitchell - removed. And that's a matter of public record. Of course, not being an elder was more than he could tolerate, what with having been a "glorious one" and all. He went to a nearby congregation and got his buddies over there to put him in. What an ego.
Ever notice how these "servants" refer to the cessation of being an elder as stepping "down"? If they don't think they're better than everyone else, why would they characterize it as a step down? Instead of a step UP? Assholes.
Anyway, back to your question. That letter was a very long time ago. I don't think they respond to them anymore. Too many to handle. And the fact that you have to hide your identity from them, so as to avoid the inevitable negative repercussions, speaks volumes about what kind of organization they've got going. Fear-based at the very minimum. Couple that with an unwillingness to be accountable for what they say and do, and you've really got a dangerous situation. Like the Moscow subways: Expensive chandeliers and no public bathrooms. But you'd better not complain. For in the case of the JWs, criticizing them is criticizing God himself. (And I'm the virgin Mary).
Don't waste your time.
Francois