Posts by Bella15

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Jesus Christ is King even before 1914 so Why the Need to...

by ProfCNJ in

good morning folks!

i have believed in the 1914 jw core teaching for more than 20 years.

but now, after seeing much about this date, i find it uncomfortable and odd to believe it unquestionably, much less defend it against opposing thoughts.

Bella15

Oh, yes, if we believe He is the Messiah then HE IS KING. If we believe that he resurrected and conquered the grave HE IS THE KING of that Kingdom John the Baptizer preached about, he is the King of the kingdom he was born, died and resurrected for, he is the KING of the kingdom all the apostles preched about everywhere they went as a real conquering kingdom that would expand throughout the earth... He has been ruling on earth the moment he was put over ALL rule, power, authority, dominions ... The term Lord is a kingly title when applied to Jesus - David's kingship pass to Jesus ..."therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified" (Acts 2).

Jesus says ALL authority has been given unto me in heaven AND ON EARTH (he did not say in heaven only) - JWs and others have come up with a "spiritual" "invisible" kingdom ... these words never appear together in the bible ..

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So how exactly did this "new translation" come to be?

by sir82 in

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a normal person, upon hearing that a new (or revised) bible translation has been released, would have 2 questions spring to mind almost immediately:.

1) who did the work, and what are their credentials?.

2) what manuscripts is the work based on?.

Bella15

Gosh, I don't even believe they did a translation the first time ... the EDITED any NIV bible to make it fit their doctrines.

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Discussion w/ Wife: I Welcome Your Suggestions

by breakfast of champions in

so these last few wts have definitely eroded my wife's faith in the org.

she is definitely seeing the bs, and i even overheard her talking openly about it to a family member.

good for her!.

Bella15

As for JWs don't go to war ... the bible doesn't say GOVERNMENT/NATIONS, which are comprised of people/citizens, shouldn't go to war. In order for you to perhaps re-direct your wife's thinking on these issues you yourself have to know where you stand on this. Do a research on war within the Christian perspective, read papers, articles on the theory of Just War ... Jesus said: Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends. Jesus was not jus speaking about himself, he was talking about love people just as he has loved us to the point of dying for others, SOLDIERS do this. The bible says that government exists because God allows it, and they have the SWORD. Government MUST defend its citizens. JWs treat soldiers as they treat the blood banks, they only enjoy their benefits!!!!!

On being the only ones preaching ... they are NOT unique in going door to door ... as far as really preaching the GOSPEl they don't do this... look at Trinity Broadcasting Network spreading the Gospel through Satellite all over the world, look at the Christian ministries that put bibles in air balloon to be dropped in mountains, amazone, forbidden places, etc. Look at the Christian ministries that give away solar powered radios like ipods with the bible and the message of salvation, the TRUE CHRISTIAN GOSPEL ...that God has provided by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ a way for human kind to be restored invididually into a forgiven relationship with Him through personal faith in JESUS CHRIST (not mention of a WATCHTOWER CORPORATION IN NEW YORK CITY). In summary, learn what's the true Christian Gospel is and if really JWs are preaching it ...

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Similar Religions to Jehovah's Witnesses

by God_Delusion in

hi guys,.

i am sort of having a breakthrough with my mother-in-law.

she's not really going to the meetings any longer but still believes the jehovah's witnesses are the "true religion".. in our last conversation, she said the following:.

Bella15

The Church of God, (the Armstrong guy)

Yahweh's Restoration Ministry

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Does it show a deplorable lack of faith to have a bucket list?

by compound complex in

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as a baby boomer making the best of every day, i have a casual list of things i want to do before i, well .

we all know about the promises made, and, gee whiz, i want to be a good and faithful boy.

but i'm beginning to wonder if i should buy a few more baskets to put my eggs in.

Bella15

I think that it is GREAT that you have a bucket list ...! When Eternity is in your mind ... that bucket list becomes endless !!! Go and live your life!!!!

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Jehovah's Witness boy fights court for right to die

by jwfacts in

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/religious-boy-fights-court-for-right-to-die-20130917-2tx5u.html.

this is tragic.

the boy is 17, and earlier this year the courts ruled that he was to be forced a transfusion.

Bella15

So sad ... If he only knew the history like you say ...

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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

by tootired2care in

at that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.

they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

- jerimiah 25:33.

Bella15

I am just writing my thoughts on your question, I am not defending this god you talk about it, because my God LOVES his creation!

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Everything changed with the coming of the Messiah. He SAVED the world from God's wrath. He redeemed fallen mankind. A way out was given to us IF we want to take it (believe in the Son of God). Grace is here. Making that grace ours is a choice. The Wrath of GOD continues thou upon the people that don't want to change, that will not even want to change under Jesuschrist rule on earth, people that don't want to believe in the Son of God.

For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12

Christians don't have the same view of JW's (an other doomsday cults) about God (for me JWs are not Christians, they don't follow Jesus and don't love the world that God loved so much, they salivate at the thought of THEIR god killing people). Christians don't count hours and magazines/books placed, properties, etc, we count souls saved, souls that come to know Jesus because we know that God doesn't want any one to perish. We love people because that's the command from JESUS, love God, love your neighbor as you'd love yourself.

NOW, if you are not a Christian, don't worry. These are my Christians thoughts!

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question on resurrection

by Skbj in

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a bit of background first: my mom's sister died 2 years ago.

she wasn't a jw.

she was far too smart to be one to be honest.

Bella15

It is a tough cookie SKBJ ... and her dilema it is universal ... she is just grieving right now and when this phase is over she may have a softer point of view, back to be an ever stronger JW with the hope that if she is good enough god will treat her sister differently, leave everything in Jah's hands, or seek elder's counsel because she was weak in her view of the wordly people ... god forbids she loves her "neighbor"! (I am actually commenting with a JW relative of mine in mind ... lol)

Within the Christian faith: The One who IS the resurrection - Christ Jesus, gave us the scale by which our "life" would be eternally preserved ... whether we believe in Him or not ...

Now when it comes to JWs, they do not have this kind o faith in JESUS, they regard him as "great teacher', just the son of their version of god, Michael, then they need the 8 guys in NEW YORK CITY, although with their lips they READ from the bible that HE IS THE RESURRECTION, they only READ this, they don't really grasp the magnitude of his words, HE IS the great I AM, HE IS everything including LIFE, RESURRECTION. They want to marvel and look for ways to make everythign so complicated and hard to obtain because they DON'T BELIEVE in the simplicity of the Gospel, that God so loved the world that he gave his only son for WHOMEVER believes in him shall not perish but have life eternal.

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question on resurrection

by Skbj in

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a bit of background first: my mom's sister died 2 years ago.

she wasn't a jw.

she was far too smart to be one to be honest.

Bella15

Funny how some JWs trust their "loving and understanding" version of god will resurrect their non-JWs relatives and come up with all sorts of scenarios of why their version of god would treat them different (like, my relative once attended a memorial, my relative once sat through a meeting/assembly, my relative once read a magazine) but their opinion on the world scale non-JW population is so different - they along with their "loving and understanding"god cheer at the thought of billions of non-JWs being killed by their god in the cruelest ways possible and never be resurrected again ... lol ... I am not talking their ever changin doctrines here just the paradox of some JWs thinking ...

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Do you believe God is using the governing body to lead his organization?

by Zoos in

were familiar with the statements about how a persons claim to be anointed is between that god and the individual.. the governing body went on to say: "a number of factorsincluding past religious beliefs or even mental or emotional imbalancemight cause some to assume mistakenly that they have the heavenly calling.

we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.

the governing body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones.

Bella15

NO ... God doesn't have an organization here on earth ...

GOD long ago gave HIS ONLY SON for whomever believes in him shall not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE!

God's plan for salvation was FINISHED and STARTED when JESUS died and resurrected!