Perry and Vinny,
You pulled the same disappearing act on me several weeks ago when you said that you would "posit" your souurce of the knowledge of good and bad in something called "social conditioning" .
Perhaps I realized the futlilty of trying to debate with a person whose inclination to reasoning is barely above primary school level. I mean this seriously Perry. As it is, please show me where I agreed to do the above Perry.
Try hard to imagine a person debating quantum physics with a nine year old child and you will understand why it is neccessary for both yourself and Vinny to grasp even a primitive understanding of your subject before you can stop embarrassing yourself in debate. Posting endlessly in topics that are actually beyond your intellectual grasp at present, and I speak for the both of you, is not gaining you any credibility.
That is why I am suggesting that before wasting my time, you do your research. There is plenty of information out there that debunks both the arguments that you have posited. Read it and return.
You see, in order to be able to effectively debate this issue, you must have an understanding of both sides of the argument, and at present you are unable to grasp anything beyond the usual fundamentalist nonesense. As Vinny proved above, decalring yourself a 'winner' in a debate where you have not even understood the basics of both sides of the issue is hardly going to win you serious attention from anyone but those wishing to have fun with you.
You may view this as a 'cop out' on my part, that is your perogative, but if you have any sense at all, you will understand what I am saying to you and learn from it. I have participated in these debates over the years as my posting history will attest, I have no intention of wasting time with you going over arguments that have already been dealt with on numerous occasions. Read these past debates, learn from them, have the courage to step outside the comfort zone of your beliefs and really think for yourself.
Best regards to you both - HS