Friends we are too unbalanced.

by sleepy 146 Replies latest jw friends

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  Englishman

  Will Power,

  Just so, well said.

  Englishman.

  Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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  Will Power

  Englishman
  You usually take the words right out of my mouth
  but I thought I'd add my 2 anyway
  Sounds like we are/have been in the same boat to a point
  regards
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  Room 215

  Hi everybody,

  The thing that intriques me the most about this thread is that most, if not all of us--including and maybe especially--the most vehement current opponents of dubdom, were once securely in this religion's thrall.

  While not minimizing the damage done by the WTBTS, the simple fact that so many of us, myself included, went from being convinced that the JWs were the greatest thing since white bread to being equally convinced that it's among the worst contrivances of Satan, confuses and beguiles me, simply for what it suggests about the processes of the human intellect.

  So then, maybe Sleepy has a point... if we're prone to err on the side of absolutism or extremism, is the truth somewhere in the middle?
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  Englishman

  quote:

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  ... if we're prone to err on the side of absolutism or extremism, is the truth somewhere in the middle?

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  Yes, BUT... you were already somewhere in the middle before you were converted to dubbism. Then, YOU allowed others to take over your mind, your heart, your soul because you thought that this would buy you everlasting life.

  Then YOU went along with shunning, YOU were acceepting of lies about 1914, 1975, the UN etc etc, YOU were a part of it, and YOU became a bad person as a result. So did I.

  Now that I am out of it I am a better person. So are you. It's that simple.

  Englishman.

  Englishman.
  
  

  Bring on the dancing girls!
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  DannyBear

  To me it is almost like the 'Patty Hearst syndrome'. Before her capture by the Symbionese Liberation Army, she was so-called normal.

  After her indoctrination and crimes committed while in the group, she has been considered a pariah. So it is with those of us formerly under the cults, mind control. Pariah is really a soft word compared to the 'spin' the Watchtower Symbolese Army puts on the the word 'Apostate'.

  The organization WTBS is so much like such radical fundementalist groups, it isn't funny. They seem all good and rosey on the outside, but they are filled with hate and evil policies.

  The more we reveal this fact, the easier it will be for all the captive ones, to see. I just hope my family who have been so enslaved for so many year's, will finally wake up.

  Even if they do, the road to recovering from this incidious organization, is a lifetime of work in itself.

  Danny
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  sleepy

  Personnaly speaking I am no better a person now than I was as a JW.
  I'm motivated to do good for the same reasons as before , I do bad things also just like before.

  Also I dont belive we were somewhere in the middle before.
  You are conditioned by the people around you whether you realise it or not.There no level field to return to no absolute truth or understanding.You just realise your previous beliefs were wrong.

  I wonder if the years of life after the "truth" eventualy erode peoples memory of it.Do those who have left longer or under bad circumstances picture it in a distorted way as a means to justify themselves?
  No justification is needed the facts alone are enough to show the religon is wrong.
  To create a belief that all witnesses are only selfishly motivated and bad people and robotic is misleading.

  When you left the truth did it change how you acted toward others or did only your beliefs change?
  The act of leaving the witnesses is a intellectual one for most people this act does not change you as a person on its own.If you were selfish before you still will be , unloving you still will be.

  Since when does leaving the org make people bastions of truth, logic, goodwill and all other nice things?

  Edited by - sleepy on 4 December 2001 10:30:30
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  Englishman

  Sleepy,

  You worry me. You going back?

  Englishman.

  Bring on the dancing girls!
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  sleepy

  No chance.
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  Englishman

  Whew!

  Bring on the dancing girls!
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  Farkel

  It has surprised me that in this long thread no one has commented on just how subjective all of this is. Remember "Friend" from the old H20. When someone would post a dub horror story, Friend would never call the poster a liar, but would say he just never had experiences like that.

  The fact is, there simply have to be some congregations that are closer to what people think is "nornal" than others. So we all speak from experience, which is subjective. No one can prevail in a debate where we are only dealing with opinions and personal experiences.

  The question "are Jehovah's Witnesses evil?" cannot be answered for that reason, IMHO. It's not a very well-defined question.

  Farkel

  "I didn't mean what I meant."

  Edited by - Farkel on 4 December 2001 10:51:55