by sleepy 146 Replies latest jw friends
ashi,
I'm sorry to hear that you are having such a hard time right now.
: But, do you think that your hope is based on reality or dreams? (That is not a slight.)
ALL hope is based on dreams, ashi. That's why it's called "hope." I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I'm deadly serious. Only each one of us has the power to bring ourself happiness. Or not. Whether you think you can do it, or you think you cannot do it, you will be right.
Farkel
"I didn't mean what I meant."
Fark,
I wrote a response and said,
"I hope that's true."
'hope'-lol. Maybe you're right, but how heavy can things get before they break? It seems like our JW families cannot throw another tack under the tire when it happens again.
But, you're right about hope. I always think of hope as based on fact, like hoping for the weekend, which always comes. Most other people's version of hope coincides with WISHES, and maybe that's what I meant too. If I could make a wish I'd do it....hell, I'm make a pilgrimidge to Mecca to get them out and make things mend.
ashi
Hey Frenchy,thanks for the reply.You seem like a nice guy,and you probably think I`m being too harsh.I am being harsh,I measure the jws by their own moral yardstick,and I`ve never met one who liked it.If it upsets them,Good!If they are good people(and some are)it will make them look at the disgraceful organization they are involved in.To those trying to get out without destroying their lives,my heart go`s out to you...OUTLAW
The Golden Rule:The people with the gold make the rules.
Are JW's evil then?
Maybe they are! Think about it. They mock any attempts by man to bring about peace.
Their god demands that they don't treat themselves with life-giving blood.
They abandon their loved ones if they cease to believe. Scary!
They denigrate their women to servants.
They believe that all men are deserving of death.
They do nothing to relieve the suffering of ordinary folk by assisting charities.
Now, I'm not talking about an org here, I'm talking about your average JW.
As for you Sleepy, I think maybe that you are supporting your mate, well, fair play to you, but that's a lot of juggling for you to do, and I hazzard a guess that its only you who is the juggler, 'cos dubs have to be black and white, they haven't the mental ability to cope with shades of grey.
Englishman.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
Englishman,
I could not possabily agree with you more. Talking about hitting the nail square on with the hammer. Nicely put!
"Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford
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I've heard this called "teeth gritting harmony".
Sums up the happy lives of JWs very well.
There's a new thread called "10 REASONS WHY JW'S DON'T LEAVE THE WT" (or close) by Victor E.
Blunt, hard, reasons to digest - and almost all of us were there to a small/large degree. When we leave? We have to get our true sense of self - scary, because we let the WTBTS define us.
Now, we have freedoms....but we also have learn again. How to make friends, by content, strive, put values on things in a hopefully balanced way - like love, hate.
Ashi One of the best things you can do for you and your wife is get involved with some other groups - library, church, basketball, Friday Night at Englishman's Pub. Just get involved and meet some New People. Take a night course with her, whatever......but get away from your families for a while. You're both so young for the crap you've had to handle, be kidlike for a while, if only measured in hours.
Have you thought about running an add in your newspaper....xjw couple looking to share coffee & chat with other xjw's? (Might have to add the word ONLY after chat.) I know in some areas, there are support groups for xjw's. Check at different churches - they might know. A group that meets for co-dependency might fit the bill also. But at least you and your wife would be reaching out with each other.
Take care.
waiting
a bit late here but,
a lovely post. i throughly agree.
i for one will try to show less animosity in future.
josephus
Sorry I was so long in replying. I had to attend to some matters.
Ash:
I’m truly sorry about your predicament. I don’t know where you live so I don’t know how far away you are. I know what you are wishing for because I know how important it is to be able to talk one on one to someone about these things. There is a line from Milton’s Paradise Lost that summarizes how I feel at times: “Long is the way
And hard, that out of hell leads up to light.” Some things are worth fighting for and so we do. Hang in there.
OUTLAW:
You’re welcome. I think that you come on strong. I’m sure there are reasons for that. Your posts lead me to believe that you are passionate in what you believe. I always respect that.
Englishman:
“Their god demands that they don't treat themselves with life-giving blood.” Remember that the Society worships itself. They conveniently use the concept of God but they do not represent God.
“Now, I'm not talking about an org here, I'm talking about your average JW.” --Englishman. Not one of the things that you listed is ‘your average JW’s’ own, personal convictions at which he arrived on his own. He is mirroring what the organization has convinced him is the word of God.
French,
I forgot about that line. I think I'll read it tonite. I have an original with the Gustave Dore illustrations from 1876...very beautiful.
I'm kind of bi-polar with my thinking...now, I don't feel too bad about things, but it changes phone call to phone call.
I'm in Jersey. I'm the kind of guy who is very simple; I just like to have a good brew and a good talk. I like all kind of movies and books. I just want some good ol' conversation about life, God, and such, without the consequences of speaking to JW about serious things.
My wife and I would like a normal social life again.
But, I'm not moping, just thinking about things lately. I thank everyone for your words. I'm also sorry I hijacked the thread.
ashi
"You ever get lonely?."
"Only around people."
-Thin Red Line
