DF'ing and DA'ing procedural change in the horizon

by iloowy 285 Replies latest members private

  • iloowy
    iloowy

    The excerpt below is from an outline in another language
    please excuse my translation if it doesn't seem to flow well
    and the wording could be more polished, I tried my best.

    --ILOOWY

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    There is to be no current disassociation or expelling of anyone from congregations, be it due to acceptance of blood, fornication or adultery, apostasy, or dealings with apostates, familiarity or intimacy with those who are no longer part of the congregation, or any other type of transgression or non-Christian conduct.

    Instead of expulsion by disfellowshipping action they are to be considered "voluntary disassociations" by people who regularly or irregularly associated with the congregation.

    Such voluntary disassociations are twofold:

    1. Disassociation that could be called "expressed", that is, when the person expresses or states that he no longer wishes to remain a witness OR acknowledges and confesses he has committed a gross sin and has tried to hide his error (and therefore shows that he has disassociated, "perhaps temporarily), and

    2. Unstated disassociation (or not notified) when the person does not say specifically, but the body of elders finds that there is evidence, whether the "facts" or "omissions" that the person in question has no interest in continuing to be associated with the congregation and, therefore, the same body of elders has explained or tried to explain to the person that through his action he has disassociated himself from the congregation and nothing else.

    It is not the congregation that disfellowships, expels or disassociates, but the person himself who leaves by his own choice of action. He is not disfellowshipped. He is not disassociated by anyone else.

    It is a matter of making the person see that he has chosen through his actions to separate or disassociate from the rest of the congregation. He has disassociated himself. At any rate it will be announced from the platform that "So-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witness."

    Absolutely no mention the words "Disfellowshipping" or "disassociation" should be made in the public statement.

    Unstated disassociation calls for highlighting the "facts" and "omissions".

    By "facts" it is to be understood that these are mainly gross sins not confessed, but "uncovered" by others. In this case the person is asked to appear before a judicial committee and make a statement. If the person comes before the committee and confesses his wrong course, "he is made aware that he has disassociated himself from the congregation through this wrongful course" and that he can return to the congregation when after some time he ha "demonstrates true repentance." If he chooses not to come before the committee, but there is evidence from other persons that he has taken a wrongful course which sets him apart from the congregation, "he has automatically disassociated himself".

    "Omissions" could also be understood to mean neglecting the preaching work and not attending meetings without good reason during a long period of time, perhaps even several years. In this case, the wholly "inactive" one (to differentiate from the occasionally "inactive" one) is invited to meeting with two elders (not before a judicial committee), either at his home in the Kingdom Hall or in any other agreed place. If the brother or sister rejects the invitation or refuses to answer repeated phone calls or written invitations, the body of elders, after a "reasonable" waiting time, perhaps a few months or a year, will conclude that the person "is not interested in associating with the congregation and, consequently, it is understood that "he has disassociated from the congregation" and so it will be announced.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Any way they figure out how to clear a couple more rows of seat warmers out of the group is fine with me. The Watch Tower Corporation doesn't need to worry about opposers thinning their ranks . . . they're doing a heck of a job themselves. I can just see Smalley and Brumley doing a sister dance back in the coat room.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Makes sense that this will be the new procedure. They basically just change the meaning of "disassociation" and say that the person, not the elders, shows that he no longer is in association with the Witness community. Brilliant!

  • minimus
    minimus

    But according to the scriptures, didn't the congregation remove the wicked man? Didn't THEY make that move of removal? Scripturally, I think they're missing something here.

  • still_in74
    still_in74
    Unstated disassociation calls for highlighting the "facts" and "omissions".

    By "facts" it is to be understood that these are mainly gross sins not confessed, but "uncovered" by others. In this case the person is asked to appear before a judicial committee and make a statement. If the person comes before the committee and confesses his wrong course, "he is made aware that he has disassociated himself from the congregation through this wrongful course" and that he can return to the congregation when after some time he ha "demonstrates true repentance." If he chooses not to come before the committee, but there is evidence from other persons that he has taken a wrongful course which sets him apart from the congregation, "he has automatically disassociated himself".

    "Omissions" could also be understood to mean neglecting the preaching work and not attending meetings without good reason during a long period of time, perhaps even several years. In this case, the wholly "inactive" one (to differentiate from the occasionally "inactive" one) is invited to meeting with two elders (not before a judicial committee), either at his home in the Kingdom Hall or in any other agreed place. If the brother or sister rejects the invitation or refuses to answer repeated phone calls or written invitations, the body of elders, after a "reasonable" waiting time, perhaps a few months or a year, will conclude that the person "is not interested in associating with the congregation and, consequently, it is understood that "he has disassociated from the congregation" and so it will be announced.

    Holy shit!

    that means that all faders are now "no longer JW's" and are thus to be shunned!

    This also reinforces the "guilt" as no one is expelled from the cong, all leave on their own accord by their actions.
    This also takes the elders personal opinions out of the equation as they cant really sway the decision, its not their decision now. The inactive one has made the decision and the elders are simply informing them how to come back to the cong, how to be reinstated!

  • minimus
    minimus

    THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST DEAL YET!

    This is how they will get away with treating people who drifted away like sh*t. "It's not our fault. it's their's".

  • done4good
    done4good

    If this is true, it's big....

    j

  • asilentone
    asilentone

    When will this new policy start?

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    When will this new policy start?

    Right after they lower the pioneer hours?

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    iloowy...

    interesting if true.. as a former elder and MTS grad, I could see the Organization going this way.... this is a natural progression of the changes that have been made over the years. It serves the purpose of clearing out the dead wood in the congregations. It eliminates the need to visit DF'd people once a year.

    The real "benefit" to the Organization (cult) is that it scares the crap out of people when they find out they can be DA'd by default by not showing up at meetings or field service. Some on the fence will either start going to all of the meetings again or quit all together...eliminates the fence sitters. I can see the field service reports being inflated (more than they already are).

    If this change goes through, it affects people like myself....... who neither go in service nor go to meetings, it would mean they could DA me by default. I used to care. I no longer care what they do. However, for grins, it might be fun to have an attorney send a C&D letter on the announcement. However, by redefining the DA rules, the Legal Department seems to have found away to flush us out.

    Snakes ()

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