DF'ing and DA'ing procedural change in the horizon (page 4)

treadnh2o

If this is true I cannot imagine it would be retroactive. They would have to have a local needs part and read a list of names. The fact of the matter is JW's shun inactive ones already. The only thing an announcement would do is hurt families.

This is another cult driven, fear mongering, tactic to keep people going out in service

The last few years have been full of procedural changes-All can be tied to the legal department.

If they were guided by Holy Spirit they wouldn't need to compromise their procedures.

iloowy

"Tejota" at extj.com has somewhat different wording in his post.
He claims that it was received by him through email.
And that his is a translation into Spanish from English.
He says he isn't the only one who's received the info.

http://www.extj.com/foro/view_topic.php?id=5822&forum_id=1

What sort of outline? A CO's talk?

Yes, a CO's talk outline to the BOE.

--ILOOWY

cognac

Oh, sh*t! I hope this isn't true...

no more kool aid

So much for my fade too. But the only reason I haven't done it myself is for our parents. If they decide to do this they will be hurting the people on the inside more than us inactive folks.

iloowy

I'm sure the implementation of any policy will depend on the resources and stamina of the local BOE.

BOEs are stretched to the max in most congregations. But if there's a person who becomes a pain in the butt to one of the elders or an elder has it in for him or her you better believe there's gonna be some development about it.

It's a little BOE fiefdom in every congregation and the Emperor's got no clothes, but he can surely put up a big stink when it gets in his collective craw.

So if one is a fader and can stay under the radar then no visit from Darth Vader.

--ILOOWY

Quandry

"Omissions" could also be understood to mean neglecting the preaching work and not attending meetings without good reason during a long period of time, perhaps even several years.

How will they decide what constitutes a "good reason?"

Cancer-stage one-can miss three meetings a year

Cancer-stage two-six missed meetings allowed

Cancer-stage three-ten missed max

In remission-no excuses allowed

paralysis-less than national average in field service allowed, still need at least three hours monthly

TJ - iAmCleared2Land

If this is real and gets implemented, two things come to mind:

1) If they don't announce to all of the congregation the "changed terms", yet the announcement wording remains the same ("so-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"), then the PERCEPTION by the congregation will be that the person was disfellowshiped for wrongdoing and an unrepentant attitude, when it might just be that they are inactive, for whatever reason.

2) My family hasn't been attending (for which I'm grateful). Under threat of being announced "no longer one of JW's", they might go back. ARGGGH. I can only hope they'd see it for the manipulative guilt-inducing rule it really is, and this would let them make a final severance.

cyberguy

Iloowy, This "new change" seems a little odd in view of a recent WT article that is trying to get inactive JWs back into the org. However, it may be related to something that was said in elder’s school about 10+ years ago. They instructed elders to ask one of three questions (I can’t remember all three now). One question was, “do you consider yourself to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses?” If the person said “no,” then the elders were instructed to make an announcement that so-and-so “is no longer one of JWs.” If they said “yes,” then they were to be asked if they would like a Bible study.

iloowy

Hi Cyberguy. The change would seem to go right along with the WT article encouraging visits on inactive ones. I'm guessing the GB realizes how un-beneficial it is for them to have people who are inactive as a JW but actively speaking against the WTS to their family and friends not be set apart as bad associations so much so that they need to be publicly announced as "no longer" JWs.

About the elders school, I'll PM you more info.

With best regards.
--ILOOWY

cameo-d

Just my 2cents...but this certainly looks like the Dec. 15 WT could be preparation for just such a change. Remember this..

Apostates feigning love are as dangerous to our faith Such ones are as fruitless as dead trees in late autumn. They face destruction, as do uprooted trees. Wise we are to shun apostates.
,we should "look out" for ourselves spiritually and reject those who do "not remain in the teaching of the Christ."

This looks like a set up to me ... to implement the "new thought" training.

Implant these subliminal cutoffs of "apostates feigning love" before the announcement labeling faders as disassociates. "disassociates' may sound a little softer than Apostate but eventully I bet those words come to have the same meaning. All disassociate=apostates.

Maybe later they will talk about those who are "disloyal in heart and field service" who try to keep up appearances for sake of family. They will make your own family question you. That way, you will end up being the bad guy, not the org.

They have found a way to wash their hands of any responsibility or blame.

Shouldn't you all be thinking of a way to combat this before it happens? If this type of announcement is going to get you shunned anyway, would you hold out hope it wouldn't or would you try to talk to you family about some aspect of the real truth before it happens?

What kind of counter action could you take if you see this coming?

DF'ing and DA'ing procedural change in the horizon

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