DF'ing and DA'ing procedural change in the horizon (page 17)

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Jeremy C makes some great points on whether the GB needs scriptural precedents to do anything. They've already told the JWs to be prepared to received detailed instructions which will need to be followed. Protection through the 'great tribulation' will depend on, not following Jesus or having faith in him, but by following 'faithful Witnesses'. JWs have already be forewarned that policy changes will come about that they may not understand and to just pray to Jehovah that they are able to accept and follow them.
Read his comments here.

I happen to agree with Jeremy that the ground work is being laid to enable the GB to bring into action any organisational changes they wish without having to use scripture to back it up. This is slightly off-topic, but I believe that it ties in with these latest rumours about changes to the DA/DF policy.

Faders should start making alternative arrangements...

undercover

I go away for a few days and the shit hits the fan...

Without reading all 8 or so pages my initial reaction is that this is a rumor run rampant. I'll need to see more evidence or proof before I accept this as new WT "policy".

A couple of quick thoughts if this does prove to be actual:

For those of us who have been faded for quite some time, how likely is it that the elders will actually go to the trouble of tracking us down, calling us, trying to arrange a meeting, and when we don't show, make an actual announcment? They're already overworked dealing with people who haven't left to really bother about people who have been missing for some time. Remember, out of sight - out of mind. I just don't see this being a big deal for people who have been "inactive" for a long time.

However, this could be more troublesome for new "faders" as the elders will now be keeping a closer eye on those who start to miss meetings. They won't be able to "fade" away without as mucn notice or without prompting elders to question more.

If true, this makes those of us who have faded since the "generation" teaching change to become the last generation of people able to fade without impunity. A bit ironic, I think.

still_in74

hmmm....
Memorial attendance could drop like a rock.
Snakes ()

I disagree, I would presume the exact opposite. this would be the one meeting a year a person attends to avoid involuntary DA

Gayle

Unfortunately, the best way to 'fade' is to move to another location, out of the local radar.

still_in74

Yet now, conveniently, our acts of kindness and love have been turned into the "feigning love" along with "False teachers that SEEM to be generous".... with waterless clouds,in that they are spiritually empty. Such ones are as fruitless as dead trees in late autumn. They face destruction, as do uprooted trees. Wise we are to shun apostates."

this is where people are really affected! this is the proof right here. this is not the same as "they have always been saying" - this is different.

the org says win over UBM "without a word" - this is true of BM (believing mates) and family members by ones that have left the org. Now the WTS says "win your UBM without a word" but dont believe the love/example of ex-believers or inactive ones cause they're just acting, not like JW's who arent "acting" at all around their UBM's!!!

Vinny - my heart goes out to you and your wife

dozy

Rather strange news (if true).

There are a few in every territory who are former witnesses , still viewed as such by some who exist in a kind of twilight status (one brother I know calls them “zombie witnesses”) but who never come to Memorials or the like. I don’t really see what would be gained by disfellowshipping them , though. Many are husbands , wives or (particularly) children of active Jws so it would be very damaging to the family.

I suspect that elders will rarely use this new procedure , possibly only for the occasional troublemaker or bit of an apostate type who it was difficult to DF using existing criteria.

Mary

Right now the practice of fading is a relief valve for those who don't agree with, or can't live with, the WT but don't want to create a problem or rock the boat. If that relief valve is taken away, some will be openly and loudly condemnatory of the WT, likely stirring up a lot of negative publicity. Others will outwardly submit, but become a dangerous element in local congregations. They would be able to find opportunities to do extensive damage to the Society from the inside, and be motivated to do so. This would make it difficult for the organization to know which of their followers they could trust and which they couldn't.

This sums up my situation to a T. Right now, my family members who are Witnesses do not shun me even though deep down, they know I do not believe this is "the Truth" and most likely would be viewed as an 'apostate'. Ironically, because they do not follow the Craptower's advise to shun family members who don't agree with everything the Slobbering Body Members teach, I do not talk to them about what I know about the religion. I just figure: 'if they're happy going, that's up to them.'

However, if the Borg makes it official policy that members must treat faders who cause no trouble the same as someone who's DF'd, I will make sure that every single person in my area gets a copy of the project that I've recently completed and will go from being a passive fader to a most aggressive exposer of their bullshit and lies. I'm sure I'm not the only one on here that would take such a view.

One thing I have on my side is that I doubt my Dub family would shun me anyway, no matter what the Borg says and it just might open their eyes as to what a fucked up cult this is. I agree with what others have said on here: it would be a difficult thing for them to implement......I mean: how many meetings does someone miss before they're suddenly considered 'DA'd?' This could (and probably would) end up being more of a nightmare for the Society itself than what it's worth.

tijkmo

When will this new policy start?
Right after they lower the pioneer hours?

this will be the first policy the new pseudo cos and dos put into effect

besty

I suspect that elders will rarely use this new procedure , possibly only for the occasional troublemaker or bit of an apostate type who it was difficult to DF using existing criteria.

A lot will depend on what instructions the CO's are given by HQ. If this new policy is true and is to be used as a sifting programme then the local BOE might have fewer options than they normally enjoy.

Not wishing to be pedantic but the substance of this policy appears to be removing the word 'disfellowship' from the theocratic vocabulary and shifting responsibility to the R&F who will be viewed as DA'd by their own actions - nothing to do with the elders really, is it?

As for scriptural support - pah! - it is the WTS we are discussing here - they wrote the book(s) on how to twist scriptures...

snowbird

I'm sure I'm not the only one on here that would take such a view.

You most certainly are not the only one.

I live in a small, small area, and I know a lot of elected officials and one VERY prominent pastor.

So far, I've been left alone, but if anyone tries to turn my 19-year old daughter whom I brought into this world with the utmost difficulty against me, I'll raise such a hue and cry that they'll be begging me to shut up!

I think the BOE is aware of this; they go out of their way to treat me respectfully.

Sylvia

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