WANTED ! JW Apologist

by wobble 16 years ago 389 Replies latest 16 years ago watchtower beliefs

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  OUTLAW 16 years ago

  BizzyBee.."Eight pages after you first asked a simple question, your sincere inquiry is still mocked. This is who Jehovah's Witnesses are - intellectually dishonest cowards"..........Dingbat(Reniaa) went 12 pages with me,before she even admited she did`nt answer my question..She kept telling me she already answered me..LOL!! Possible-San..You have tried very hard to communicate with Reniaa..It is difficult when you are dealing with a very dishonest person..You are doing it translating Japanese into English........English is our first language here and we can`t communicate with Reniaa either!..LOL!!

  ...OUTLAW

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  reniaa 16 years ago

  outlaw

  • Acts 13:41
    " 'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.' "
    
  • 2 Peter 3:3
    First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
  • Jude 1:18
    They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires."

  some scriptures just for you enjoy

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  reniaa 16 years ago

  hi madmary I agree with you that they use basic doctrine that has been avalable to all christianity since it was taught by Jesus, that is the whole point of the weed and the wheat parable but what that same parable also makes clear is by the end days the wheat will stand out from among the weeds enough so there can be a harvest.

  I'm glad the Jws teach basic doctrine from throughout the centuries it a testament to them following the bible and being inspired by holy spirit gradually, not doctrines of men which like trinity and cross worship and virgin mary worship etc are not biblical. It has taken time to shed the powerful lie though and they may need more refinement yet.

  possible san I attack trinity itself not the men who preach it, trinity whatever you believe on it - is not biblical, show me one scripture that denotes trinity (not Jesus divinity this is not trinity!)? since about 99% of christianity follows the false teaching of trinity we have to make sure people know it is FALSE and unbiblical.

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  ThomasCovenant 16 years ago

  Hi Reniaa

  Scoffing has more than likely been around for quite some thousands of years now and therefore those enjoyable scriptures are not really that relevant to anything being discussed here.

  Thanks anyway

  Thomas Covenant

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  OUTLAW 16 years ago

  Reniaa..

  outlaw

  • Acts 13:41
    " 'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you"..Reniaa,go see a Doctor..
    
  • 2 Peter 3:3
    "First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires"...Reniaa, go see a Doctor..
  • Jude 1:18
    "They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires."..Reniaa,go see a Doctor..

  "some scriptures just for you enjoy ".....Reniaa,go see a Doctor!!!.................LOL!!

  ...OUTLAW

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  passwordprotected 16 years ago

  @ reniaa - starter for 10.

  Matt 28:19Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.

  Conversely, let's talk about where in the Bible it states that salvation can only come through association with the "faithful and discreet slave" class, that there is forgiveness of sins through another means other than having Christ as mediator, that the majority of Christians will have the hope of living on a "paradise earth", that a "great crowd" of "other sheep" will be in existence, that there would be a centralised "Governing Body" to whom Christians must go to for "spiritual food" at the proper time, that smoking is a disfellowshipping offense, that it's ok to make a prediction in God's name and still be taken seriously when that prediction fails. Scriptural references, please, that clearly prove all of those teachings must be believed and unquestioningly accepted in order to have approved standing before Jehovah.

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  possible-san 16 years ago

  reniaa.

  possible san I attack trinity itself not the men who preach it, trinity whatever you believe on it - is not biblical, show me one scripture that denotes trinity (not Jesus divinity this is not trinity!)? since about 99% of christianity follows the false teaching of trinity we have to make sure people know it is FALSE and unbiblical.

  Have you replied to me, after understanding the meaning of my comment exactly?

  What does this mean, "trinity whatever you believe on it - is not biblical"?
  
  I said to you as follows.

  "I myself do not believe the Trinity, and I also deny a fundamentalism interpretation.
  Therefore, I have not complained of the justification of the Trinity to you from a Trinitarian's viewpoint."

  Your explanation "I attack trinity itself" is a "lie" (falsehood), although you may be not thinking so.
  It shows that you are still trying to deceive people.
  You avert your eyes from truth and are continuing attacking a "fake."

  I think that your expression "show me..." is not well.
  The right expression is "show me, please."
  
  Furthermore, I am not a Trinitarian.
  And I explained to you that I had denied the fundamentalism interpretation.
  Therefore, I cannot use the Scriptures by the intention to prove that the Trinity doctrine is the right dogma.

  The point in which you are wrong is not whether the Trinity is "FALSE and unbiblical."
  It is wrong that you attacked "what is not the Trinity" and have described it as the "Trinity" persistently.
  And it is a dishonest and insincere act.
  
  And you do not repent such a dishonest attitude but show an impolite attitude to Christendom obstinately.

  possible
  http://godpresencewithin.web.fc2.com/

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  jakmarx 16 years ago

  I think its easy to get lost in name calling & making endless comparisons.

  The reasons I made the difficult decision was not based on the beliefs or doctrine. Due to my up bringing as Jehovah's Witness, I never found the comparisons made between Jehovahs Witnesses and other monotheistic religion very relevant.

  For me it breaks down into these simple reasons:

  • Negative
  • Hypocritical
  • Controlling
  • Judgemental
  • Self-promoting (shock non jw's do good too)
  • Fear mongering
  • Ultimately Selfish
  • Conditional Love
  • Arrogance

  Now that i have left I have had time to build up my own belief system and see little need for imaginary solutions.

  I need things that help me now, not in a thousand years.

  JKMX

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  possible-san 16 years ago

  Hi, OUTLAW.

  Possible-San..You have tried very hard to communicate with Reniaa..It is difficult when you are dealing with a very dishonest person..You are doing it translating Japanese into English........English is our first language here and we can`t communicate with Reniaa either!..LOL!!

  Yeah.
  I think that I am doing my best although I do not speak English at all.
  
  I cannot express correctly the matter or feeling which I would like to say, in English.

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  reniaa 16 years ago

  possible san you correct me and ask me to be polite? yet correct no-one else? were are their 'please' were is your 'please'?

  If I have become impolite I apologise but the mockery I get on here has made me very straight and direct in my speech but I never call people names or mock them.

  Outlaw I think she leaves the door on her Microwave open ,so she can watch food heat up........................

  this what outlaw said is not polite, he is mocking me.

  bizzybee I'm going out on a limb here and predicting............that you will not get a straight answer from R. There is a phrase "casting your pearls before swine."

  bizzybee is calling me a swine is this polite? this is not as bad a some of things he or outlaw has said.

  You may not quite understand because of language difficulties but I am getting very ridiculed on here for being a pro-Jw, but I felt to give Jehovah a fair hearing.

  I do not think believing in God is enough! because if that was the case all men will be saved even ones who are not christians but believe in God. the bible says.

  Deuteronomy 6:4-5

  4 Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God, is one Jehovah. Love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

  Mark 12:28-30 (New International Version)

  28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"

  29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. [a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' [b]

  Jesus did not want our worship or to be made into God he wanted the worship to be given to his Father.

  Matthew 7:21
  "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

  how can we do will of the father if we do not see him as the one true God and mix him up with Jesus and holy spirit making the bible unclear?

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