by wobble 389 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
I do not think believing in God is enough! because if that was the case all men will be saved even ones who are not christians but believe in God. the bible says.
You can't bring yourself to believe in a god who loves all of his children unconditionally? You must be a really good JW.
Still as an unashamed scoffer that must make my punishment of eternal damnation perfectly fair and just.
hi password, we are not jews, Jesus set in place principles so things like smoking come under the principle of not defiling your flesh, do you think Jesus would have approved of smoking?
the governing body say only Jesus can save us and it is upto him to judge because he is given authority by God. but the leaders that are over us have been given authority too and are accountable for it, this includes pope, church leaders, synods, governing body and anyone who leads in christianity inc a father who teaches his children, they have the bible and a directive to preach it message beyond all else because we can only be saved that way.
in relation to the point we have to treat the annointed well what does this scripture mean?
Matthew 10:41-42 (New International Version)
41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."
In relation to the point of authority of our leaders
Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.Our only choice is to test the message of a religion and see if it is truthful and in line with scripture. but perfection is not possible until JEsus comes.
Zechariah 13:9
This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, Jehovah is our God.' "
hi caedes
I believe in the bible as God's word and already he had a flood in which wrongdoers were wiped out, Jesus is a loving king and ruler but in his father's name he will bring jugement and that judgement mean some will be lost and some will be saved. If you do not believe in the bible then this does not apply to you.
Assuming that your view of god is correct, do you believe that god is justified in killing people for failing to believe in him or for the mere crime of scoffing? (a propensity programmed into us by god himself presumably)
Do you think that god was justified in killing every man, woman, child and animal not aboard the ark?
How does my lack of belief make any difference if you are correct?
Incidently, what made the children killed in the flood 'wrongdoers'?
wow. I didn't know where this would be today when I left off yesterday. I have observed Reniaa's continued shenanigans and making an absolute ^%$ of herself. Nice use of the soffing scriptures Reniaa. They were talking of those who scoff at Christ's seemingly deplayed coming- not those who scoff at the WT false prophecies. You sound just like a service dept rep when you say "Well those dates must have been rightat that time so the Holy Spirit must have been operative"
Again, aswer the simple questions that started this thread. Again, you may say you are pro-JW but the org that you claim to be pro to would consider you apostate.
Reniaa, no where have you answered my request for backup to your assertion of two-classes of Christians, one who will rule in heaven over the other on earth. And please don't begin with your usual "All Christian faiths...this is not unique to JWs...." We are not talking about other faiths, we are talking of the self-proclaimed faithful and discreet slave. If they are what they claim to be they should stand out like shining jewels...not be making all the same mistakes as others.
We've travelled a long way together on this thread,and thanks again to all that contribute,but we don't seem to have an answer to the first question,
to summarise "If as the GB claims today,they are God's Channel because Jesus inspected them in1919,and found they alone were giving some spiritual food,or doctrine if you like,that no other group were,so Jesus could make up his mind and appoint them over his belongings,
What is that Doctrine or teaching?
As has been pointed out,other groups taught more of what is considered today by the GB to be truth in 1919 than did the Bible Students,so where is this teaching,plainly seen in scripture without spiritual gymnastics, that singled them out in 1919?The one that Jesus said "yes I plainly taught that,and they alone are teaching it in 1919",if Jesus couldn't see that,why pick the Bible Students?
If it cannot be produced then the JW/GB is LYING about being appointed.
as the JW's claim to be in "The Truth" this should be very simple to answer.
Love
Wobble
Hi, reniaa.
I cannot take responsibility for others' words and deeds.
It is only my words and deeds that I can take responsibility.
Even if I have something to tell you, I cannot express correctly in English.
In a certain case, I cannot express at all.
Please read in my awkward English the thing which I would like to tell to you.
You have the freedom you do not reply to an impolite person.
Impolite people are in this forum.
A certain person made a fool of the name of "possible-san."
Before I do nothing to that person ...
You can reply sincerely, only to the person who is kind to you.
If you are sincere, they also return a reply sincerely.
But since you are not sincere, everyone who is here is angry. (I think so.)
Sometimes I read Renaia's posts thinking she just might make a point that will make me think JW's got it right, want to go back, get reinstated, and get my family back...
Then I realize her reasoning makes no sense and trying to defend the organization makes her a fool, an idiot, the same as I was as a JW. Then I get angry feelings toward her and the organization itself for making fools of both of us.
She doesn't seem to realize that she in trying to defend the jw's is just doing the opposite. That's the whole reason, I'm sure, that JW's are told to STAY AWAY from these type of 'apostate' places. She doesn't seem to get that.
