by watson 347 Replies latest jw friends
Healthcare is a commodity. How is it anything other than a commodity? Food is a commodity. Water is a commodity. Shelter is a commodity. Clothing is a commodity. Without any of these you will die. Without a great many other things, you will be miserable. Do you have a right to these things? You have a right to get them.
BTS, we are going to go round and round. But the above is wrong. Cold and wrong.
Purps!! That's the point here. We (the American taxpayer) are the biggest pool! In that capacity we can provide health care at a reasonable cost, because we have cut out the middle man (insurance companies).
That is what I think the job of the government is. To do what we as individuals can not. Burn how would you like to hand over national defence to a private company? A for profit company? This is every bit as important as national defence, in a way, it is the same thing. Insuring that people stay productive and healthy.
You are so good at changing the subject. Well not really, because your dodging is easy to see.
The subject is in the subject line of the thread.
Somehow this has been lost in favor of how advanced American medical technology is. This by way of implication that countries with universal healthcare don't have any R&D, have never invented anything or discovered anything and should be grateful for the crumbs America throw out.
The only stats I have seen so far make it clear that American healthcare (and key indicators like ...erm....life expectancy and infant mortality) is below that which should be expected from a country that spends the most in absolute and per capita terms on healthcare.
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No, now answer the rest of the question. You are in the top tax rate? You make 95+% more than the rest of America?
But do we sacrifice Helping people now for that kind of advancement?
There is charity, which we should all be encouraged to do and should do. But here is a difference: with socialist programs, you have entitlements. You are entitled to get a free ride on the backs of the rest of us. On the other hand, with charity, you are depending on the kindness of others. No one is entitled to charity from another. Charity is a gift. The giver is empowered by showing kindness anmd mercy(which is the only true power), and the receiver is educated and raised up by the good act of the former. That psychological difference alone, is enormous. The first breeds a dependent class of people. The second does not. Also, I am not so severe as to not be willing to give a hand up to someone temporarily down and out. Even if it is government funded. But a basically functioning person that can work over long periods of time? Get out of my house, loser.
BTS
Jeff, to boil it down even further, and to be cold and wrong and assume that healthcare is a commodity, what is health insurance?
BTS, we are going to go round and round. But the above is wrong. Cold and wrong.
Rather than make a bald assertion explain yourself. The logic of my statement is unassailable and you know it. Healthcare is a commodity. It meets the textbook definition of a commodity. Only an addled moralizer would say otherwise. Try to get health services if there are none willing to provide it. Insist that providersand producers must work for free.
Try.
It is a commodity that is bought and sold like any other, including ones we need to live.
BTS
