What hope is there then? (page 21)

undercover

maybe all apologist arguments start to sound the same after a while.

That'd be my guess...

If SINS is for real, he's still pretty indoctrinated, thus his thinking skills are under-used or under-developed. His responses are typical of WT imposed thinking.

But I do see a willingness to look beyond the WT-think...which means there's hope for him to re-develop his critical thinking skills. And if he does... and if he's honest with himself, when he starts to see the proof, he'll open up more and question more.

notverylikely

Okay, let's run with that Idea. How would this be different than recieving a Christmas Gift? One could decide to accept or reject it and not be participating in Christmas celebrations. How is that any different than receiving a finnacial instrument as a gift? Does that automatically mean the recipient has the same views as the giver?

Classic JW argument...

Outlaw, do you have a picture of a troll handy?

undercover

I don't sense troll...yet...so hold off Outlaw...

Let's give the guy a chance here. We've bombarded him from all angles. Let him pick a subject and we'll try to stick with that one instead of all of us picking our favorite ones.

Deal?

isaacaustin

sayitisntso,

Please answer my questions.

PSacramento

I could say the same thing about the REGI U.S. SEC document. But doesn't really do anything about the validity of the charge.

No, that official document shows that the WT is 49.9% shareholder in a compnay that profits from war and that they, as shareholders profit from war.

Even IF that is No longer the case, and there is no evidence that it is NOT, the FACT is that the WT profitted from warfare.

Period.

sayitsnotso

To answer some other questions. No I have never posted here before.

But back to the REGI U.S. thing. I found a more recent filling: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/922330/000092233009000021/form10k.htm and the WTS is not listed:

ITEM 11. SECURITY OWNERSHIP OF CERTAIN BENEFICIAL OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT AND RELATED STOCKHOLDER MATTERS The following table sets forth, as of August 7, 2009, our outstanding common stock owned of record or beneficially by each person who owned of record, or was known by us to own beneficially, more than 5% of our common stock and the name and shareholdings of each Executive Officer and Director and all Executive Officers and Directors as a group. A person is deemed to be the beneficial owner of securities that can be acquired by such person within 60 days from the date of this report upon the exercise of warrants or options. Each beneficial owner's percentage ownership is determined by assuming that options that are held by such person and which are exercisable within 60 days from the date are exercised.

Name	Shares Owned		Percentage of Shares Owned
John G. Robertson, Chairman of the Board of Directors, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director (1) (2) (3)(5)(10)(11)		10,858,806		38.82%
James McCann (4)		1,312,408		4.69%
Rand Energy Group Inc. (5)		1,312,408		4.69%
Jennifer Lorette, Vice President and Director (6)		255,400		*
James Vandeberg, Chief Operating Officer and Director (7)		175,000		*
Lynn Petersen (8)		105,000		*
Robert Grisar, Vice President (9) – subsequent to year end		227,000		*
Brian Cherry, Vice President of the RadMax® Engine Technology Projects	Nil			*
Reg Technologies Inc.(10)		3,320,000		11.87%
Rainbow Networks Inc.(11)		2,429,800		8.69%
ALL EXECUTIVE OFFICERS & DIRECTORS AS A GROUP (FOUR INDIVIDUALS)		11,486,209		41.06%

*Less than one percent of the issued and outstanding on August 7, 2009, which was 28,036,824

PSacramento

I also see that you failed to answer this question:

Do you see anything wrong with an organization, proclaiming to be God's sole voice on Earth, glorifiying the deaths of Children?

sayitsnotso

Guys,

Yes I feel a bit bombarded here. I cannot reply to all questions, especially since I am researching others simutaneously. Please be patient.

I'm not trying to be a troll. I'm open to outside points of view. I may not agree with all of them. As is the case with all humans, sometimes we can even change our minds on matters, I am no different. My primary purpose for this thread was not REGI U.S. but rather the quesions posted about hope for the future. However, I have no problem looking into other ideas.

isaacaustin

Fair enough sayitsnotso.

notverylikely

Let's give the guy a chance here.

Come on..."I would beleive the org, since we they preach the same thing I beleive and look, I have a handy 14 point list handy and will defend them at every chance...."

The troll is strong with this one, but he is not a Jedi yet.

What hope is there then?

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