What hope is there then?

by sayitsnotso 290 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  OUTLAW

  Outlaw,

  I think you like to encourgage debates of an argumentitive flavor. That's fine. You certainly can feel however you want. But I thought I plainly showed that REGI U.S. was

  1. Not solely a war-investment. No more condeming than holding a mutual fund from a retirement company in Technology.
  2. Is no longer being held (something you claimed).
  3. No all comparisions are apples to apples, that can include my own. My christamas gift comparision wasn't that great. I'll admit that. Same for the Brothel one given. I think the Quicky Mart employee fits better. If the quicke mart employee either a) feels his own concience can't permit him to continue working there or b) he quits because of how others might view it (negatively), then where is the problem?

  Sayitsnotso..

  Not soley a War investment..??????????..So War factions,like blood factions are ok by you?..LOL!!..

  The WBT$ only killed people some of the time..The rest of the time they researched how to kill people more effectively..LOL!!

  I didn`t know the WBT$ sold..I still don`t know..They move companys around like a shell game..

  What the Hell does QuickyMart have to do with War?..What kind of a noodle brain response is that?..

  ...................... ...OUTLAW
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  White Dove

  What has this thread become? You all lost me.
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  sacolton

  Does he even know about the Watchtower being part of the "Wild Beast"?
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  Leprechaun

  It has taken leaving the Jehovah’s witnesses to allow myself, to learn and accept that salvation comes by Grace from Jehovah, not because of anything we do, humans can never on their own attain salvation or coheres god into giving them life (salvation).

  This concept of Jehovah’s Witnesses has been their biggest fallacy or (spiritual downfall), that of earning your way into salvation or gods favor. The Ransom price paid in behalf of all mankind for a true student of the bible should instill in them a deep appreciation and a feeling of security for the future, knowing that this provision covers every human that has ever been born. He offered up his son for everyone, during the reign of his son then all mankind the resurrected ones as well as those living (will) have really their first authentic chance at learning and accepting, and progressively attaining perfection. Then we can know what it’s like to really live.
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  Leprechaun

  http://www.biblestudents.net/food4jws/
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  OUTLAW

  UC..

  I won`t get anywhere with this one..

  Kind of reminds me of Reniaa..

  Rand Cam is fine..The association with the UN is fine..Pedophiles aren`t a problem..

  Off topic..Answers questions with questions..

  I don`t have the medical qualifications to deal with escaped mental patients..

  ...................... ...OUTLAW
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  sir82

  Fascinating to see the mental conditioning the JWs impose on their followers isn't it?

  "God's organization is this...God's organization isn't that....God's organization...God's organization...God's organization....can you prove it isn't God's organization?...what would God's organization do?..."

  All of this presupposes, a priori, that God must have an organization, and that that organization has an earthly component, and that it is possible to identify one and only one organization that is his.

  3 remarkably broad assumptions.

  JWs just never think outside the box.

  First step: Prove to yourself that God must, of necessity, have one and only one earthly organization that is "his".
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  sayitsnotso

  Would God's organization ( not that God needs one) glorify death? especially the death of children?

  What is wrong with someone choosing to die than damage their relationship with God? “Happy is the man that does not put himself on judgment by what he approves. But if he has doubts, he is already condemned if he eats, because he does not eat out of faith. Indeed, everything that is not out of faith is sin.” - Rom 8:22-23

  If the Blood transfultion teaching is inaccurate, and people made choices like those young people based on the information they currently had at had, what was wrong with that? My reference to Romans 8 is because there was nothing wrong with eating the food that was from an animial sacrificed to idols, unless it bothered the concience of the person eating. Those young ones made a choice based on their faith. That was noble.

  I think saying the WTS glorifies death is inaccurate at best. Obviously they don't want anyone to die. They want people to have the best life possible. I cannot see the GB behind the WTS being vindictive or cold-hearted. I believe they have peoples best interest at heart and want to help people have a good relationship with God.

  UPDATE (Edited post due to accidentially reinserting Rom 8) Should make more since now.
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  undercover

  God cannot lie. God is a god of truth. God hates a lie.

  The Watchtower Society for over a hundred years has predicted the end of the world to happen at various times. 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925. These dates are confirmed dates of which they spoke the end would come. The end did not come. Thus they revised their chronologies and their doctrines. Since the 1950s, they have taught that the generation that was alive in 1914 would see the end of the system of things and would not die. They then looked forward to 1975 as a possible date of armageddon. When that failed, they continued to push the 'generation of 1914' teaching. As the mid 90s rolled around and it was apparent that the generation of 1914 was all but gone, "new light" changes the meaning of the term generation. Again this year, the definition has changed yet again.

  If the Bible is the word of God and is true, then God cannot lie and he is the god of truth. The WTS has perpetrated a falsehood for decades, for several generations. Worse yet, they held this up as the word of god, as it was god's promise and that we could be assured of this happening.

  Now...would God's spirit direct organization be allowed to lie to god's people, whether once or many times, let alone for decades...

  This is not god's organization...god did not direct this teaching or this prophecy. It was false. The Society lied in God's name. They are not God's organization.

  The proof of these WT prophecies are available. I'm not going to do all the work. Do some research and see for yourself what the Society claimed, in god's name.

  Another way of looking at it is this....The WTS claims to be God's organization. Can they prove they are? The burden of proof is heavier on them to prove they are than it is on those who claim it isn't. With great claims there shoud be great proof. I challenge any one who accepts the WTS as God's organization to prove it. You'll see that those who claim that it isn't can prove their assertion while the WTS, or their supporters cannot.
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  OUTLAW

  If the Blood transfultion teaching is inaccurate,and people made choices

  like those young people based on the information they currently had at had, what was wrong with that?..

  Those young ones made a choice based on their faith. That was noble.....sayitisntso

  Just curious..Do you know your Nuts?..

  ...................... ...OUTLAW