DO you follow any of these quacks, charlatans, liars, mystics or self-promoters?

by Terry 127 Replies latest jw friends

  • JWoods
    JWoods
    Oprah invites crackpots on to spew mystical bullshit and her viewers connect Oprah's gravitas to it as legitimate "information."

    Oprah has given us Rachel Ray, Suze Orman, and Doctor Phil. Plus a number of books promoted that were not worth lighting your charcoal with.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Now, now, JWoods.

    Oprah also helped get Obama elected.

    We don't want to leave out that crucial piece of information.

    Syl

  • JWoods
    JWoods

    I don't know if I would have mentioned the Obama thing right there, Sylvia - especially after a cooking host who cannot cook, a financial guru who does not even follow her own advice, and a phony psychiatrist wanna-be who is himself certifiable...

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Uh huh.

    Syl

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    Let me take this one sentence out of all the verbal/written cacaphony you spew, Terry: (BTW, I'm not arguing, just disagreeing with your insistence that your worldview is the way.)

    "You seem (to me) to be saying a thing is not what it "is". Which means a thing is whatever we want it to be or what we interpret to be."

    In your own black and white world, this means your existence is limited by your judgements of everything based on its physical properties. You see only the physical and the visible and have either lost the ability (or never developed it) to actually commune with the world around you. You have lost the spiritual side of your nature or have willingly discarded it out of FEAR. That's right. There is something you fear, imo.

    I know for a 100% certainty that the "universe" moves with us, individuals resonate with aspects of it, and it "talks" to those that have "hearing ears" and shows us things if we "have eyes to see them". Perhaps this is not so for you and some others. People have a tendancy to discount or denigrate that which they don't understand. But, just read this board and research the personal experiences of sane, rational, intelligent people that have experienced their true spirituality. I never fully experienced it as a Jehovah's Witness because I was in a box.

    For me and many others, living life without this spiritual communion is like eating food with no spices. I'm not saying there's not quacks and charlatans out there. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because you have some sort of box you have put yourself into. But, who am I to tell you what you should or shouldn't be open to. Maybe your life has been such that your complete black and white boxes are what helps you to deal with it. I'm not your judge and you're not mine.

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    This is Ruth's son Dirk...

    Terry,

    My mom tells me you're an atheist. When I left the winesses at 15 I was an atheist for a while too and then I grew up and realized that atheists are making the same mistakes as ignorant christians who still think Jesus actually walked the earth and died for our original sin. Atheists are just the other extreme. Two opposite sides hating on each other. Your both the same. It's just like how every religion thinks they have the truth and everyone else should be packing their bags for eternal damnation. Don't get lost in your own narrow perspective Terry. I must agree with your opinion about most of the people you listed up there. Benny Hinn can go suck a fat dk and John Edwards is the biggest douche in the universe. Have you read any of Deepak Chopra or the Dalai Lama. Deepak has some good points but I think he waters down a lot of things just to make ignorant readers happy. See, I have actually explored others perspectives instead of lumping them into a group with every douchebag on the market. Every person has a different point of view and yes some peoples perspectives are somewhat worthless like yours for example. Let me explain why your opinion is mostly worthless. You are close minded. Just by your one comment at the beginning I can tell that you still think just like a JW. You are hating on everyone while believing you know it all. Just like a JW you are condemning perspectives that you have never even explored just so you can live in your ignorant narrow perspective comfortably thinking you have found all the answers. If you really want to know God or Truth then you'd realize to "find" you must get truly lost. You're self-righteous and pompous and feel the need to down others to make yourself feel important. I bet you made a great JW. I can't give you an absolute truth Terry which I'm sure is what you want. The only absolute is that nothing is absolute because with every sure thought is a doubt. There is so much you still haven't realized yet but I can't tell you what you haven't come to realize on your own and you won't unless you break free from the prejudicial thinking and surrender to the fact that you dont know everything. I hope you respond...I look forward to your thoughts.

    Dirk

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    I must really be out of touch. The only person I recognize in the original post is Wayne Dyer. Back in 1980 an ex girlfriend gave me his book, "your erroneous zones". I think I read 3 or 4 pages before I tossed it aside.

    W

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Good Morning Terry..

    The premise of your thread,is about blindly accepting someones authority on a subject..

    Then you promptly place yourself in Authority on various subjects..

    Did you think no one would notice?..LOL!!..

    Why, oh why, Outlaw would you possibly care about me chastising you or anybody else unless you are less than 100% confident
    about your stance on Homeopathy (or whatever other ox I've gored)?
    Did you not read my post to you?..You entered a world I have experince in..
    You sit on your Throne,in the "Kingdom of Terry"..
    And..
    Pass judgement on things you have no first hand knowledge of..
    We are either discussing FACT or OPINION.
    Which am I disallowed from expressing here on the "discussion" board?
    You are more than welcome to Show JWN,the post where I told you..You could not express your opinion..
    Or..
    Any Guidline Rules that prevent you from expressing your opinion..
    Neither exist..
    You have just presented me with a StrawMan..
    Not very Impressive..
    Placebo effects can be powerful, of course, but the potential benefit of relieving symptoms with placebos should be weighed against the harm that can result from relying upon—and wasting money on—ineffective products. Spontaneous remission is also a factor in homeopathy's popularity. I believe that most people who credit a homeopathic product for their recovery would have fared equally well without it. .....Robert L. Park, Ph.D.,
    This is your Arguement against Homeopathy?..
    Robert L Park "BELIEVES".....that most people who credit a homeopathic product for their recovery would have fared equally well without it.
    Robert L Park doesn`t say he "KNOWS"...He said he "Believes"..
    Is that like the WBT$ buzz word .."EVIDENTLY"?.....LOL!!
    If the FDA required homeopathic remedies to be proven effective in order to remain marketable—the standard it applies to other categories of drugs—homeopathy would face extinction in the United States . However, there is no indication that the agency is considering this. FDA officials regard homeopathy as relatively benign (compared, for example, to unsubstantiated products marketed for cancer and AIDS) and believe that other problems should get enforcement priority......Robert L. Park
    It`s the FDA`s job to remove Bogus Medicine,from the Public..
    Why has`nt Homeopathic Medicine been removed from shelves across North America?..
    HomeoPathic Medicine makes Claims..
    If you make a claim you can`t back up,the FDA has every right to sieze your product and they do.
    They can and will remove every offending product from your shelves..If you resist the police are called..
    The FDA is very ,very serious about their Job..And..
    They have the Legal System to back them up every step of the Way..
    HomeoPathic Information
    True and False
    1. Homeopathy is a placebo.
    FALSE: Skeptics feel that there is not enough active ingredient in a remedy to be effective and thus attribute any healing to the placebo effect. However, clinical studies have shown homeopathy to be statistically more effective than a placebo.

    2. You must never give your homeopathic prescription to someone else
    TRUE: The principles behind homeopathy render it an individualized medicine. Our experiences of sensation, location, etiology, etc. of “disease” processes differs from person to person. The choice of remedy takes each personal experience into account and can thus differ from one person to another for the same illness.
    3. You have to believe in homeopathy for it to work
    FALSE: Evidence disputing this claim is observed in the healing effects seen in animals, plants and babies. These “beings” are unaware of what they are taking and therefore cannot be said to be subject to this “belief”.
    4. Homeopathy is completely safe
    TRUE and FALSE: Thanks to the extreme dilution used in the preparation of remedies, homeopathy does not cause side effects. Therefore, it is safe and very useful during pregnancy, during breastfeeding, for babies and the elderly. However, in chronic/complex cases, one should always consult a professional homeopath as an untrained individual could complicate the situation. This is also true in self-treatment when the medicine does not seem to be working. Often the dosage is too low, or the remedy is wrong. Therefore, it is best to consult a homeopath who will be able to correct the prescription.
    5. The British Royal Family have used and endorsed homeopathy for three generations.
    TRUE: Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, is the Royal Patron of the British Homeopathic Association. Her daughter, Queen Elizabeth II, is said to never travel without her personal homeopathic first-aid kit by her side. Her son, Prince Charles also uses the medicine. In addition to the royal family there are many other well known people who have used homeopathy. Three American presidents, James Garfield, Chester A. Arthur and Warren Harding, John D. Rockfeller (who lived 99 years), Henry W. Longfellow, Washington Irving, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Mahatma Gandhi, Mark Twain, Samuel Morse, Sir Yehudi Mehuhin, Johann Wolfgang Goethe, Mother Teresa, O. J. Simpson, Angela Lansbury, Tina Turner, just to name a few. A number of popes have also used the medicine successfully, including Pius X and the current pope, John Paul II.
    Natural Life  Magazine

    Indeed, a few aspects of orthodox medical treatment – immunization with vaccines for example – are essentially homeopathic in principle. The use of nitroglycerine under the tongue to relieve angina has been a standard medical treatment prescribed by establishment physicians since the early 1900s, and is essentially homeopathic in nature as well. Large amounts of ingested nitroglycerin (designated Gleonine in homeopathy) can cause chest pain, palpitations, and shortness of breath – the very symptoms that tiny amounts of nitro under the tongue will relieve. This is Samuel Hahnemann's like cures like theory at work.

    So what happened to homeopathy in North America? From the very first, homeopaths were considered a philosophical, clinical and economic threat to conventional medicine. The American Medical Association was established in 1846 partly to counter the growth of homeopathy, and soon all physicians who practiced homeopathy were expelled from the new organization. In 1855, the AMA added a consultation clause to its code of ethics, asserting that any member who even consulted with a homeopath or other non-regular practitioner would be booted out. (This clause was dropped in 1901, when more effective methods of combating homeopathy were implemented.)

    In 1910, Abraham Flexner was commissioned by the Carnegie Foundation to evaluate American medical schools, under AMA auspices. Predictably, homeopathic schools received low ratings in the Flexner Report, and the U.S. government was persuaded to decree that only graduates of highly-rated schools would be permitted to take medical licensing exams. The fix was in. By 1923, only two homeopathic colleges remained, and by 1950 – one. Conventional medicine's triumph seemed absolute. However, homeopathy proved harder to kill off than anyone expected.

    Homeopathy survived on the fringes of medical practice, until a mid-century resurgence of interest in holistic medicine resulted in its North American rediscovery. Now homeopathic products are one of the fastest-growing sectors in Canada's health food market, enjoying 30 percent annual sales growth as we entered the 90s.

    Michayl James Ross of Shanah Azee Distributors in Albuquerque, New Mexico, who markets homeopathic medicines throughout the U.S. and Canada by mail order, says that business has doubled every year for the past five years. Supplements Plus of Toronto also sells a large selection of homeopathic products by mail order. Many health food stores and some pharmacies now stock homeopathics.

    Homeopathic medicines are used extensively and effectively in veterinary applications, discrediting the medical establishment's frequent assertion that any apparent positive results homeopathic treatment might achieve are due to the power of suggestion or the placebo effect. Homeopathy's effectiveness in treating infants also contradicts the placebo rationalization.

    Today, more and more health care consumers are becoming dissatisfied with conventional scientific medicine's philosophy and approach, as well as its reliance on drugs and surgical intervention. Homeopathic methods provide an attractive alternative.

    Homeopathic theory assumes that each living organism is in an ongoing dynamic process of adjusting to the surrounding environment. Humans constantly come into contact with substances that influence this adaptive flow. Homeopathy seeks to stimulate the body's innate healing powers by activating and optimizing its defense systems.

    A homeopathic practitioner evaluates each patient's health holistically, rather than concentrating on individual symptoms. Homeopathic practitioners interview patients extensively to determine in great detail the condition that caused them to seek treatment. Additionally, the physician will need to learn about emotions and mental attitudes, the patient's sense of well-being, likes and dislikes, etc. This information allows the homeopath to determine the appropriate treatment.

    Homeopathic medicines are prepared by repeatedly diluting and succussing (vigorously shaking) various plant, animal and mineral materials. For example, one drop of a tincture is diluted with ten drops of water and succussed to make a 1X potency. A higher, 12X potency would have gone through this process 12 times – serial dilution followed by succussion.

    Such small doses seem nonsensical in terms of conventional pharmaceutical theory, however the Arndt-Schutz law states that small doses of medicine stimulate; medium doses paralyze, and large doses kill or suppress. Hormones and other physiologically active substances are present in the body in amounts so small as to have only recently been measurable – concentrations similar to those of low-potency homeopathic medicines.

    One of the great advantages of homeopathic treatment is that lay people can experiment with various homeopathic medicines without danger of harm. There are no known side-effects, even with long-term use, and dosages are not critical. For example, the standard dose for most BHI homeopathic medicines is three to four tablets per day, but the directions state that taking a tablet every five to 15 minutes is appropriate for severe symptoms.

    Charles W. Moore is a freelance writer who lives in rural Nova Scotia.

    A History of Homeopathy in Britain
    by Peter Morrell
    Honorary Research Associate in the History of Medicine, Staffordshire University, UK

    H omeopathy was introduced into the UK by Dr F H F Quin (1799-1878) in the 1830's. Born and schooled privately in London, Quin was of aristocratic birth, and is widely regarded as the love-child of Lady Elizabeth Cavendish (1758-1824), the Duchess of Devonshire and Sir Valentine Richard Quin, 1st Earl of Dunraven (1752-1824, visit the Dunraven webpage). Along with the
    Dukes of Westminster and Marlborough, the Dukes of Devonshire were at that time among the top five richest families in Britain (see Cannadine).

    After graduating MD in 1820 in Edinburgh (his thesis was about Arsenic poisoning), Dr Quin then became the Duchess's family physician and travelled with her entourage. He met Hahnemann, and travelled extensively in Europe, residing for a time both in Rome and Naples. He successfully used Camphor against Cholera in Moravia (Czechoslovakia) and cured himself of the condition on Hahnemann's advice (Bradford, Cook, Hobhouse, Haehl). During the
    1830's and 40's he was often in Paris among the inner circle of Hahnemann's protégés. He was a lifelong asthmatic, which was eased by homeopathic treatment.

    A fluent French-speaker and francophile, Quin was revered by the French as Hahnemann's greatest successor, and appointed on Hahnemann's death as the Honorary President of the Gallic Homeopathic Society (see Bonnard, p.32 and Blackie, p.29): a post he held until his death. Whenever he attended their meetings, Quin could occupy the special chair which had been originally created for Hahnemann, and which always remained empty in his absence (see
    Haehl, Vol 1, 233, 429; Blackie pp.26-29
    ).

    He introduced homeopathy into the very highest levels of English society: to Dukes, Counts, Lords, minor Royals and Baronets [Leary, 1998, pp.252-3]. That was the world he was at ease with and in which he had moved since birth. As a young man he was a very popular socialite and wit on the fashionable London circuit, a great friend of Charles Dickens (1812-1870), William Thackeray (1811-1863) and the Royal portraitist, Sir Edwin Landseer (1802-1873), amongst many others, and no society party, or social gathering, it was said, was complete without him. By nature of a very pleasing disposition, he was a man of great personal charm (Leary, 1998, p.252). He was also latterly one of the regular dining partners of Edward, Prince of Wales (1841-1910), the future King Edward VII (Leary, 1998, p.252-3; see also Hobhouse, p.248;
    Handley, p.99 and Quin's entry in the Dictionary of National Biography
    ). As a measure of the respect and affection with which he regarded Dr Quin, the Prince sent four empty horse-drawn royal carriages to join the cortege at his funeral: probably the highest honour ever paid by a Royal to a commoner.

    The modern British royal devotion to homeopathy also began through Dr Quin.Though Victoria never used it, but all later Royals have:

    "Queen Mary and King George VI were firm followers of homeopathy, the King even calling one of his horses Hypericum which won the 1000 Guineas race [in 1946]." [Inglis, 1964, p.81-2]

    'The practice Samuel and Melanie Hahnemann established in the heart of Paris soon became fashionable. The wealthy people of the city and, indeed, of Europe generally, were more than ready to try a new medicine...they were predominantly members of the French and British upper and professional classes: nobles, clergy, military officers, doctors...the British were among the earliest visitors: Lord Elgin...Lady Kinnaird represented Scottish aristocracy...Dr Quin...Baron Rothschild...Viscount Beugnot...countess Musard...Lord Capel...Lady Belfast and Lady Drummond, the Duchess of Melford...' [Handley, 1997, pp.20-22]

    Sir John Weir, once the Queen's physician, was reputedly Physician Royal to six monarchs: Edward VII, George V (1865-1936), Edward VIII (1894-1972), George VI (1895-1952), Elizabeth II, King Gustav V of Sweden (1858-1950) and King Haakon VII of Norway (1872- 1957). The latter's wife, Princess Maud (1869-1938), was the youngest daughter of King Edward VII.

    The fact that this aristocratic patronage of homeopathy in the UK extended well into the 1940's, and beyond, can be easily demonstrated. In the Homeopathic Medical Directories there are lists of patrons of the dispensaries and hospitals. They read like an extract from Burke’s or Debrett’s. Some examples include: The Dukes of Beaufort, Dukes of Cambridge, Marquesses of Anglesey, Earl of Essex, Lord Gray of Gray, Viscount Malden, Earl of Donoughmore, Lord Ernle, Earl of Kintore, Earl of Kinnaird, Duchess
    of Hamilton and Brandon, Earl of Wemyss & March, the Lords Paget, Dukes of Sutherland, Earls of Dudley, Lord Leconfield, Earl of Wilton, Earl of Albermarle, Viscount Sydney, Lady Radstock, Duchess of Teck, Duke of Northumberland, Earl of Scarborough, Earl of Dysart, Marchioness of Exeter, Countess Waldegrave, Countess of Crawford & Balcarres, Lord Headley, Earl of Plymouth, Lord Calthorpe, Earls of Shrewsbury, Lord Horder, Lord Gainford, Lord Moynihan, Lord Ernle, Lord Ampthill, Lord Home, Viscount Elibank and the Earls of Lichfield. And to this list we can also add numerous knights, barons, Army officers and clerics.
    [ this data extracted from the Homeopathic Medical Directories 1867, 1874, 1895, 1909, 1931; see also Morrell, 1998 thesis; see also Nicholls, 1988 and 1998 op cit; see also LHH, Sixty Five Years Work: A History of the London Homeopathic Hospital, London, 1915; for Earls of Shrewsbury see also Hobhouse, op cit, 247; re Lord Donoughmore, see his Obituary, Health Through Homeopathy, BHA, 7:11, Nov 1948, 250; also his Obituary, Daily Telegraph, London, 19 Oct 1948; re Lords Ernle, Gainford and Ampthill, and Viscount Elibank, see Heal Thyself 1935; re Lord Home see Heal Thyself 1931-2; re Pagets see Heal Thyself 1938; re Lord Horder Heal Thyself 1937; re Duchess of Hamilton and Brandon see Heal Thyself 1932, 1933 and 1938 .]

    Royal patronage of homeopathy also continues. The Queen Mother continues her work as Patron of the BHA [see BHA, Birthday Greetings to our Patron, HRH Queen Mother, Homeopathy 40:4, July 1990, 97, and BHA, The Physicians Royal, Homeopathy 40:4, July 1990, 98], while the homeopathic pharmacy Ainsworth’s in New Cavendish Street, London, holds all three Royal warrants as ‘Chemists Royal' -- ie. for Prince Charles, the Queen Mother and the Queen.

    Quin concentrated exclusively on introducing homeopathy amongst medically qualified doctors and their predominantly upper-class clientele (Inglis, p.85). This level of high society support for homeopathy, generated by Quin's efforts, worked enormously to its advantage, smoothed its passage and greatly assisted its easy acceptance into the British medical marketplace. The fact that many of the German relatives of the British Royal family were also devoted patrons of homeopathy, including Queen Adelaide (1792-1849), wife of King William IV (1765-1837), also assisted its rapid social acceptance in Britain (Morrell, 1995; Leary, p.252-3). Rich patrons of homeopathy (eg. the first Marquess of Anglesey, Sir Henry William Paget (1768-1854), companion at Waterloo of the Duke of Wellington (1769-1852)) not only formed its client-base, but also funded and numerically dominated the committees which ran the many homeopathic hospitals and dispensaries of the last century. Leading figures of this period include Drs William Bayes (c1820-c1890), Robert Dudgeon (1820-1904) and Richard Hughes (1836-1902) (Morrell, 1995).

    Homeopathic Dispensaries
    year No
    1840 80?
    1850 155?
    1857 33
    1860 120?
    1867 64
    1868 70
    1870 80
    1874 117
    1876 120
    1880 45
    1895 39
    1900 35
    1909 34
    1930 25

    [Source: Homeopathic Medical Directories: 1867, 1874, 1895, 1909, 1932]

    Quin established the British Homeopathic Society (BHS) in 1843, a London hospital in 1850 and the British Journal of Homeopathy (BJH) in 1844. The BHS became the Faculty of Homeopathy in 1944, while the BJH became the BHJ in 1911. The Faculty is the training and controlling body of medical homeopathy in the UK and also trains many homeopaths from abroad, especially many from India. Through his many influential contacts in the world of politics (eg. Lord Ebury, 1801-93), Quin was able to obtain an amendment to the 1858 Medical Act, withholding a recommendation about the type of medicine approved in Britain (Leary, 1998, p.253; Nicholls, pp.144-5; Inglis, p.80). As a result of this skilful manouevre, homeopathy was indirectly tolerated without challenge and thus never censured by Parliament as an unacceptable or deviant mode of medical practice.

    'Dr Quin was able to obtain an amendment to the Medical Registration Bill; a clause was added enabling the Privy Council to withdraw the right to award degrees from any university that tried to impose the type of medicine practised by its graduates.' [Inglis, p.80]

    The rather draconian 1858 Act established for the first time the professional status and legal regulation of formally qualified medical practitioners, as distinct from quacks, and still regulates the practice of medicine in the UK today. Very much a product of the times, the law was specifically designed to outlaw quackery, which was rife at that time, by establishing a Register of approved practitioners. Initially these guidelines were interpreted very strictly, confining those on the Register only to holders of UK medical degrees, licences and diplomas. The reasons at the time were clear enough:

    '...a need to restrict entry to what was seen as an overcrowded profession.... medical practitioners were concerned both to control the number of qualified practitioners entering the profession and to reduce the competition from practitioners who were not qualified.' [Waddington, 1984, p.139]

    '...of the 10,220 practitioners listed in Churchill's Medical Directory of 1856, 1524 possessed only the diploma of the Royal College of Surgeons, and 879 possessed only the licentiateship of the Society of Apothecaries.' [Holloway, 1964, p312]

    'In 1851 there were an estimated 6000 unlicensed medical practi- tioners operating in the UK but only 5000 regular doctors, apothecaries & surgeons', [Griggs, 1981, p.224].

    Even the holders of Continental medical degrees and diplomas (graduates of the esteemed medical schools of Vienna, Berlin, Heidelberg, Paris, Montpellier, Padua and Brussells, and clearly some of the finest European doctors), were excluded from the Medical Register, for fear of encouraging deviant forms of medical practice in Britain, ie. quackery. Probably a good example of 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'. In more recent times these rules were relaxed, even allowing American medical graduates the right to practice, whose degrees had previously been scorned as worthless pieces of paper. All foreign graduates must still apply directly to the General Medical Council to be granted permission to practise medicine in Britain.

    There were attempts by some more politically radical homeopaths in the 1840's (distantly inspired by the French Revolution), comprising some medically qualified and some laypersons, who formed a breakaway but shortlived English Homeopathic Association, to popularise homeopathy amongst the lower classes in Britain, but in the nineteenth centurythese efforts were eclipsed by its continued dominance by the medically qualified and their wealthy clientele (Nicholls, 1988). Many of these radical and plebeian homeopaths were also linked to political radicalism (distantly inspired by the French Revolution) and religious non-conformity, as well as a host of other medical sects, such as Phrenology, Spiritualism, Mesmerism, Hydrotherapy, Galvanic medicine and Medical Botany (Barrow; Morrell, 1998). There was a remarkable medical eclecticism at that time. Many homeopaths also employed other techniques like hydrotherapy or Galvanic medicine. A good example is Dr James Gully (1808-83), a big friend of Charles Darwin (1809-82), who set up a highly successful hydropathic institution in Malvern (Desmond & Moore, p.364 and p.392).

    "Darwin...was not alone in extending the ethical net from oppressed men to the forlorn brutes. The Quaker doctor John Epps - London phrenologist, homeopathist, and disestablishment campaigner - had 'come to consider all creatures as being equally important in the scale of creation as myself; to regard the poor Indian slave as my brother.' (Epps, Diary, p.61)...'the whole creation travaileth and groaneth'. This was Epps's reading of St Paul. He was adamant that 'animals enjoy mind - and with it personality, desires and pain' (Epps, Elements, p.118)." [Desmond & Moore, Darwin, 1991, p.238]

    Quin distanced himself entirely from the radical homeopaths and the other medical sectarians in general, regarding them all as thoroughly disreputable amateurs bordering on quackery, though he would never use that term himself (Nicholls, pp.110-14). Leading radicals included Drs John Epps (1805-69), Samuel Partridge (c1810-80), Spencer T Hall (1812-85), J J Garth Wilkinson (1812-99) and Paul Francois Curie (1799-1853).

    Dr Epps 'was of short stature and sturdy frame, and had a beaming, self-confident expression. He was regarded by many of the working-classes as a prophet in medicine...he impressed many people with...his great earnestness...and his evident desire to benefit his fellow creatures. He had a great command of words, a fine sonorous voice, and an animated manner. His philanthropic efforts and personal acts of kindness were numberless.' [DNB, p.800]

    He was also 'an ardent champion of liberal causes at home and of oppressed nationalities abroad.' [Wheeler, BHJ 1912, p.525]. Which I suppose is a very polite way of saying he was also well-connected with many other rebels of the day. These include Guiseppe Garibaldi (1807-82), the Italian patriot; Lajos Kossuth(1802-94), the Hungarian revolutionary who stayed in London for a time in the 1850's where he 'was received with respect and sympathy' [Chambers Dictionary of Biography, 1996, p.839]; and Guiseppe Mazzini (1805-72), another important Italian patriot who 'found refuge in London in 1837' [ibid, p995].

    So great was their influence and popularity throughout the 1850's that the medical radicals all seemed set to lay siege to orthodoxy (Barrow). Such great dreams were gently laid to rest by the 1858 Medical Act.

    As a result of its continued domination by the medically qualified and by upper-class patronage (Nicholls, pp.114-16 & p.135), British homeopathy could never really shake off its aristocratic gloss, and thus it never established itself at a popular level amongst the lower classes, which was in marked contrast to the other sects, all of which enjoyed a good deal of mass, working-class support. Homeopathy was always regarded, therefore, as the 'rich man's therapy', and the exclusive preserve of the wealthy, privileged and titled. While this allegiance with the upper classes had undoubtedly
    worked to the benefit of UK homeopathy in its early days, later on it became a great burden, especially when it sank into decline after the 1880's. The aristocratic link meant that British homeopathy tended to be very largely confined to fashionable spa towns (eg. Buxton, Leamington, Harrogate, Bath), to wealthy coastal resorts (eg. Eastbourne, Brighton, Bognor Regis) and to London and southern England in general, unlike Botanic medicine, which was popular in northern, industrial cities. It thus never established itself at working-class level. And thus it had no popular support to fall back on as the aristocrats went into decline after 1890 (see Cannnadine).

    '...Quin's social connections, useful though they were in introducing homoeopathy into Britain, gave it an aristocratic aura which it could not shed....it never really put down any roots among the workers, or the lower middle classes, except in a few scattered practices...they resisted overtures from...the unqualified lay homoeopaths... which... encouraged the development of an internal orthodoxy...which gave it, to outsiders, an appearance of rigidity...their original progressive ideas had crystallised into a narrow creed.' (Inglis, 1964, p.85)

    Three exceptions to this geographical pattern, and which are hard to explain, are Glasgow, Bristol and Liverpool, all of which had large, thriving homeopathic hospitals. Liverpool and Bristol were major ports linked to the USA, where homeopathy thrived. They were also places where rich families were patrons of homeopathy: Wills the Tobacco firm in Bristol and the Tate sugar family in Liverpool. Glasgow might be explained as centre of great homeopathic activity, due to its subdominance to Edinburgh as an internationally renowned medical teaching centre and thus perhaps more tolerant of 'medical deviance' than its more conformist rival.

    The continued decline of homeopathy caused some homeopathic doctors to despair for its future in Britain. As a result of these fears, a small minority of homeopathic doctors (eg. Dr J H Clarke, 1853-1931) broke away from the BHS (Clarke in 1908), began to teach some laypersons the rudiments of homeopathy and to publish books (eg. Clarke's 'The Prescriber') directly aimed at the self-taught lay practitioner and home-prescriber.
    [see Dr J H Clarke's Obituary, British Homeopathic Journal 10, 1, 1932; Dr Clarke - Appreciation & Biographical Sketch, British Homeopathic Journal 79, 1990, 52; see also An Appreciation of Dr Clarke, by Dr Edgar Whittaker, The Homeopathic World, Jan 1932;see Dr J H Clarke's Obituary, British Homeopathic Journal 10, 1, 1932, in which Sir John Weir, the King's physician, admits being instrumental, during the 1920's, in trying to woo Dr Clarke 'back into the BHS fold', but without success; Dr Clarke - Appreciation & Biographical Sketch, British Homeopathic Journal 79, 1990, 52; see also An Appreciation of Dr Clarke, by Dr Edgar Whittaker, The Homeopathic World, Jan 1932]

    Dr Clarke certainly taught three laypersons: Canon Roland Upcher (1849-1929), a Church of England prelate, J Ellis Barker (1869-1948), a German immigrant and political writer, and Noel Puddephatt (1899-c1971), who had all been his former patients (Morrell, 1995). All three became practitioners to some extent, the two latter also becoming influential teachers of homeopathy in their own right (Morrell, 1995). It is notable that the tolerant, laissez-faire legal system of the UK (law of precedent) still allowed anyone to practise medicine, unlike most countries with written constitutions and rule by law of statute.

    As a result of these developments, a new tradition of lay homeopathy was established in Britain. While the number of homeopathic doctors went first into decline and then into stagnation, the lay movement of the 1920's and 30's, by contrast, enjoyed great popularity, extending well into the 40's and 50's. There were approaching 300 homeopathic doctors at its peak in the 1870's, but only 170 or so between 1900 and 1970 (Nicholls, pp.134-5; pp.215-6; Blackie, p.34; Inglis, p.81).

    The Faculty of Homeopathy
    year total females percentage
    1939 219 28 12.8%
    1969 125 41 32.8%
    1972 244 43 17.6%
    1974 259 37 14.7%
    1985 487 106 21.8%
    1988 586 154 26.3%
    1998 1600 576 36%

    [Source: Faculty Lists 1939-98]

    Through stark recognition of the grim facts of decline (Nicholls, 1998), several notable attempts were made to resuscitate British homeopathy, as its fortunes began to collapse after 1890 (see Nicholls, p.215 & pp.218-19). For example, the re-establishment of the British Homeopathic Association (BHA) in 1902, to obtain more funds to train doctors; the setting up of the Missionary School of Medicine in 1903, to train Christian missionaries in the elements of homeopathy,tropical medicine and surgery (see Petursdottir); also the sending of young UK homeopathic doctors to Chicago to train with Dr Kent in 1908-13, under the Sir Henry Tyler Scholarship. Yet all these efforts failed to revive interest in the therapy amongst UK clinicians, or to elevate the numbers of homeopathic doctors, which continued to fall, andhomeopathy thus remained a stagnant backwater for most if this century, until the late 1970's (Nicholls, pp.215-16 & pp.134-5).

    In the 1930's a diverse range of assorted lay therapists (mostly homeopaths, herbalists, vegetarians, antivivisectionists, bonesetters, diet therapists, hydrotherapists) became active, including probably 500+ lay homeopaths (see Morrell, 1995). Most towns at that time had a herbalist and a homeopath. Leading figures of the 30's, 40's and 50's include Noel Puddephatt, J Ellis Barker, Rev Harold Tyrwhitt (c1890-c1960), Leslie J Speight (1901-94), Edward Cotter (c1890-c1970), Arthur Jenner (born c1916), Frank Parker Wood (c1890-1965), Eric F W Powell (c1895-1991), George Pettitt (c1890-c1965), Harry Benjamin (c1890-c1950), Darnall Cooper (c1890-c1960) and Edwin D W Tomkins (1916-92).

    'Dear Mr Barker...I intimated some years ago to the BHA that a vigorous campaign was needed to 'create a demand' for homeopathy, but I was taken to task because such a procedure would 'offend against professional etiquette'. I said then, and believe more strongly than ever, that publicity is needed...'.[Letter, Edward Barnett, Essex, The Homeopathic World, June 1932, 223]

    'Dear Sir, I am delighted with your vigorous criticism of those doctors who have mismanaged homeopathy for so many years...'[Letter in The Homeopathic World, June 1932, 224]

    '..we shall never be able to get a sufficiency of homeopathic doctors
    unless homeopathy is made popular by suitable propaganda... '[Letter, The HomeopathicWorld, June 1932, 224]

    '...organised homeopathy followed a policy of secretiveness, that no list of homeopathic doctors was obtainable, that homeopaths did not indicate their speciality on their brass plates and on their stationery...the leaders of the homeopathic organisations must be crazy, cowardly or utterly stupid.'[ibid, 225]

    '..a distinguished homeopath...said to me: The British Homeopathic
    Association is useless, absolutely useless, worse than useless. Unfortunately, this is only too true....'founded in 1902 for the extension and development of homeopathy in Great Britain'. Since that time the number of homeopathic doctors, chemists and of homeopathic hospitals, dispensaries and other institutions has steadily shrunk in the most lamentable manner.'[JEB in The Homeopathic World, June 1932, 226]

    '...it is declining and decaying in this country owing to the disastrous policy which incompetent leaders have followed for decades...during the last sixty or seventy years the number of medical men and chemist's shops has approximately trebled, the number of practising homeopathic physicians has shrunk by about one half and the number of homeopathic chemist's shops to about one fifth of the former figure...this is a disgraceful state of affairs...and the leaders who have caused this debacle ought to retire and to hide their heads if they possess any sense of responsibility and of shame.'[ibid, The Homeopathic World, June 1932, 231-2]

    These letters clearly demonstrate a deep rift between the plebeian homeopaths of the thirties and their medically qualified brethren. Ellis Barker castigated both the BHS and the British Homoeopathic Association (BHA) for blocking any further expansion or popularisation of homeopathy at grassroots level. Editorial after editorial of his lambasted them mercilessly just as Drs Clarke and Burnett had done as Editors in the 1880's and 1890's [see The Homeopathic World, July 1932 267-8, 279, 290; September 1932 367, 371-2, 394-8; June 223 & 221-234]. Barker also incited the lay practitioners to 'take homeopathy to the masses'. He was thus the inspiration for the first, brief though glorious, mass movement of alternative medicine in Britain.[see Morrell, 1995, Stuttgart Paper, op cit and Brief History, op cit; and J Ellis Barker, Why This Ridiculous Secrecy?, The Homeopathic World, May 1932: 177-82; Barker, J Ellis, My Testament Of Healing, John Murray, London, 1939, 73; see also Who's Who, 1948, 144; see Barker's Obituary, Heal Thyself, sept 1948, 235-8]

    Leaders in the sixties and seventies include Phyllis Speight (born c1920), John Da Monte (1916-75) and Thomas Maughan (1901-76) (see Morrell, 1995, 1996). Suddenly, in 1978, and after two decades of inactivity, a group of lay practitioners established their own Society of Homeopaths, a Register, College (The London College of Homeopathy), Journal (The Homeopath) and Code of Ethics, inadvertently imitating the medical professionalisation process of the 1850's. These had all been London students of Thomas Maughan and John Da Monte, and included Elizabeth Danciger, Misha Norland, Peter Chappell, Robert Davidson, Martin Miles and Sarah Richardson (see Morrell, 1995). Growth of the Register of the Society can be easily demonstrated:

    total female
    Year RSHoms RSHoms
    1979 15
    1980 28
    1981 41
    1982 45
    1983 50
    1984 54
    1985 62
    1986 65
    1987 67
    1988 82 40 (48.8%)
    1989 132 81 (61.4%)
    1990 165 99 (60%)
    1991 180 112 (62.2%)
    1992 210 137 (65.2%)
    1993 260 182 (70%)
    1994 360 264 (73.3%)
    1995 427 310 (72.6%)
    1996 465 357 (76.8%)
    1997 493 381 (77.3%)
    1998 542 418 (77.1%)
    1999 595 459 estimate

    [Source: Soc Hom Registers 1979-98]

    This sudden burst of renewed activity led to a very rapid expansion of homeopathy in the UK, and more Colleges became quickly established during the 1980's and 1990's, such that there are now more than 20, including 1 in Wales, 2 in Scotland and a dozen in London and the south of England. The lay movement is now a semi-legitimised profession with its own mode of registration, unified teaching syllabuses, training procedures and self-regulation. It sits on the brink of full legal recognition. There are approximately 1000 registered homeopaths working in the UK at present with probably the same number of licensed and unregistered homeopaths, and around 1000 medical doctors who practise some form of homeopathy. Many of these practitioners only practise on a part-time basis, and thus these numbers are slightly misleading. The movement is expanding at roughly 8-9% per year. There are thus two strands of the current movement -- the medically qualified, and the lay practitioners. The latter dislike the pejorative title 'lay homeopath', preferring to be referred to as 'professional homeopaths'.

    By way of summary, we can make an interesting point about British homeopathy today as compared with its condition in the 1840's. How sharply the two now differ! Then, homeopathy was entirely dominated by a medically-qualified elite with a wealthy clientele of artistocrats and only a microscopic lay movement. Today the opposite holds true: it is numerically dominated by professional homeopaths, who have, singlehandedly, brought about its resuscitation from a 'near-death experience' in the mid-seventies. And their client-base is almost entirely composed of middle and lower-class patients. The medically qualified today are in a minority and seem always to be responding to new ideas and techniques originating in the lay movement, rather than being the leaders they once were.

    Homeopathy in Wales, Scotland and Eire
    Homeopathy in the British Islea has not been entirely confined to England. There has been almost no homeopathy at all in Wales and no-one seems to know precisely why. There was a homeopath in Dolwyddelan in mid-Wales in the 1860's and also one in Llandudno in north Wales, but no others that I know of. It seems strange because British homeopathy tended to become associated with religious non-conformism and that should have suited the Welsh.

    There has also been very little in Ireland, where it was confined to certain towns like Dublin, Cork and Limerick, as well as some in the Belfast area in the north. Apart from that almost none. The single most active Irish homeopath was probably Dr W H Roberts, who ran the Dublin Homeopathic Dispensary for many years until its demise in the early 1950's (Heal Thyself 1932-55). In more recent years there has come into being the Irish Society of Homeopaths, based in Galway.

    Homeopathy in Scotland has a long and very distinguished record. It has been practised there from the very origins of the therapy in the UK and has also enjoyed repeated flowerings, quite independent of the tradition in England. It has tended to be centred mainly in Glasgow. Many of the greatest homeopaths in Britain have come from Scotland, born and educated there, even though they may have 'made their mark' south of the border. Examples include Dudgeon, Weir, Drysdale, Henderson, Skinner, George MacLeod, John Paterson, Ephraim Connor, Gibson Miller and William Boyd, and more recently David Taylor Reilly, and all of whom probably rank as great homeopaths in world terms. Dr Robert Gibson Miller was enormously influential and trained with Kent in St Louis in the 1880's. There have been many important and influential Scottish homeopathic doctors since, based mainly at the Glasgow Homeopathic Hospital. That requires a separate history of its own.

    Is there anything thing else you would like to say..About a subject you don`t know much about?..
    ........................... ...OUTLAW
  • Terry
    Terry

    I know for a 100% certainty that the "universe" moves with us, individuals resonate with aspects of it, and it "talks" to those that have "hearing ears" and shows us things if we "have eyes to see them". Perhaps this is not so for you and some others. People have a tendancy to discount or denigrate that which they don't understand. But, just read this board and research the personal experiences of sane, rational, intelligent people that have experienced their true spirituality. I never fully experienced it as a Jehovah's Witness because I was in a box.

    Okay. No point arguing with a "true believer".

    Unless and until a person is willing to be wrong they abandon the only possibility of learning. I hope your spiritual world is working for you. I really do.

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    You're funny, Terry. Please take your own advice....or not. Methinks, when you've run out of legitimate argument, you resort to the equivalent of a child grabbing all his toys up in a temper tantrum and going home.

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