Fipper commented: DJ doesn't carry on conversations. He carries on diatribes.
LOFLAO I thought it was only me that wasn't able to make it through any of his posts!
Looks Like I'm Back on the Radar- my Daughter has Local Elder Call on Me
by flipper 200 Replies latest members private
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flipper
I better respond now because in a few hours we have the mother of all snow storms coming- with posible power outages. Thanks for your support.
EVIDENTLY APOSTATE- Thanks. I too feel keeping lines of communication opn are important- even if it's just ME doing the communicating. As you stated- it leaves no mystery for my daughter to fill in suscpicious cracks with. So, yes- it's one of the reasons I keep at it.
WASBLIND- I think the elder just dropped it. I feel he saw that it's no use in trying to recruit me back- I ain' t going back. But I do hope he will research some things I told him- he will find I'm just saying the REAL truth.
SNOOZY- LOL ! don't think I'll bother reporting the elder for being lax in his assignment. I prefer him to be lax in his assignment at this stage of my life. At least as far as harassing me anyway.
RETROVIRUS- Yes, I have touched on common interests my daughter and I have shared in previous cards and letters to her. Involving camping, hiking, family chats, etc. - but she doesn't allow herself to go there with me much, if at all. Hopefully she'll start pondering things in time- it's all I can hope for.
WONTLEAVE- I agree with you that these elders can't be trusted. That's why I will refuse to open up to 2 elders. I know the game- and I'll avoid playing it THEIR way. It is like dealing with Sybil- as they do have a mental dosorder called " dissociative disorder " where they compartmentalize everything you say. So it probably WAS falling on deaf ears what I was saying to him- but you never know - a few thoughts may have leaked through to his " authentic " personality.
JRK- Yeah, the elder may have had ulterior motives- but I would have handled it the way I did- either way. I wouldn't have opened up like that to 2 elders. I know the game. Thanks bro. I can't control whether DJ has personal problems or polishes his puder . I wish he'd do that more than replying on here. Would probably serve him better
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flipper
DESIROUS OF CHANGE- No, you're not alone. I think many people share our sentiments about DJ
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flipper
Wanted to give an update on my older daughter. Apparently the elder DID tell her to contact me and to be positive towards me . Surprise, surprise. A month after the elder called on me my daughter wrote a nice card to my wife and me, some JW marketing in it, but not too pushy. Then I wrote her back a nice card asking how things are going, giving the example of the Japanese boys who walked 5 miles to get food, clothing, and provisions for the older ones in the Japan earthquake. I wrote her this to show her that non-Witness people are caring and do good deeds for one another. Then two weeks later , she sends aNOTHER card to Mrs. Flipper and me with NO JW marketing in it ! Just talked about family things and that they went up to visit my dad ( her JW grandpa ) who broke his sacrum, or tailbone . She visited him in the hospital ! I commended her for that and left a message on her phone.
So it seems there has been more contact now in the last 2 months than the last several years ! We shall see what happens. I'm going to take it slow and steady. Thanks for any input you have
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Iconoclast
Good luck Flipper! I wish my grandmother would talk to that elder. She (rightfully) feels I've DA'ed myself in my heart and has stopped all contact. Wish you the best and I hope your daughter continues to "heed her counsil"
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TotallyADD
So happy for the update. Sounds like things are moving forward a little for you and your daughter. You are such a good father. I hope she continues to be positive towards you and Mrs. flipper and bcomes very close to both of you. Great news. Totally ADD
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flipper
ICONOCLAST- I'm sorry your grandmother shuns you. Hopefully someone will talk to her and tell her to lighten up. Perhaps an elder there would influence her to speak with you. Never know. Thanks for your best wishes.
TOTALLY ADD- Thanks, I appreciate it. Hopefully she will keep in contact with my wife and I and we'll proceed cautiously
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cantleave
Flipper I am truly delighted there has been some dialogue between you and your daughter. It's a shame she has to be told what to think and feel by the elders, it's so sad she has to, in effect, seek approval to have a relationship with her father.
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flipper
CANTLEAVE- Indeed. Thanks. The fact that it took an ELDER to tell her it's O.K. to associate with her inactive dad - shows how powerful the mind control tactics are inside Jehovah's Witnesses. But, hey- I'll take ANY contact with her right now ! LOL !
But it shows that JW's who are deep into the cult are influenced what to think and how to feel by leaders within the cult. It's so dangerous because it's like a temporary form of insanity or mental illness where JW's DO NOT have their OWN personality - they have the cult personality ! Knowing that my daughter is controlled by a mind control cult helps me not to take it too personally. I know if she was in TOTAL control of her own mind - she wouldn't shun me.
However I hope to gradually reach my daughter's authentic non-JW personality by staying on family topics or just ANY topic which she and her husband are involved with aside from being a JW. So- I'll proceed with caution and take it slow and steady so as not to trigger her cult radar. Thanks
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Scott77
Mr. Flipper, great job and welldone. I do not think two elders will be a serious threat. Please, consider secretly recording any future encounter. How about having an attorney to sit beside you on that day as a back up? Iam very sorry to hear about the way your daughter, you gave life to treats you that way. The watchtower never gave birth to her. Your daughter should be grateful to you as her daddy and a creator not the organisation that corrupts people's minds through excessive brainwashing.
Scott77