Looks Like I'm Back on the Radar- my Daughter has Local Elder Call on Me

by flipper 200 Replies latest members private

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  OnTheWayOut

  It does not take 2 witness TO THE SAME EVENT, it can be 2 witness to 2 different events of the same thing (support of apostate teachings) to set you up for a Judicial Committee. So, if a different elder returns to talk to you, or if Elder #1 returns with Elder #2, but Elder #1 goes back to the car, by you saying all the same things to Elder #2 will constitute TWO WITNESSES to your apostate views and qualify for you to be invited to a JC.

  For the last 7 years I've presented myself as an unbelieving relative to any JW's calling on our door so as to be able to talk openly to them.

  To present yourself as "AN UNBELIEVER" might not be a good idea any more. That could easily be construed that you no longer consider yourself one of Jehovah's Witnesses. (= Disassociation)

  While, technically, DOC is correct, I don't believe local elders bother to think things out in such a complicated way unless they were gunning for a member. Yes, Flipper cannot discuss his deep "unbeliever" stuff with the next sister to come by anymore than he can discuss it with another elder if they could constitute two witnesses. Elder #1 could easily send Bro. or Sis. Pioneer to his home with baited questions. But I am sure he is safe on his past discussions.

  Still, watch your back Flipper. Someone who won an appeal before but hasn't attended meetings since then- he probably won't win his next appeal even if they violate all their own rules to df you. But that would be the case only if these locals (who didn't even know you existed until recently) were gunning for you.
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  wasblind

  Iron head,

  you need to quit, you already been warned by Simon

  friday night, chill, callin' names like coward and punk

  wasn't even a necessary reply for flipps openin'

  post. He is one of the most polite posters on this board

  and there is no need for you to attack him . He shows

  so much class for brushin' you off like a piece of dirt
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  Iron Head

  Iron head,

  you need to quit, you already been warned by Simon

  friday night, chill, callin' names like coward and punk

  wasn't even a necessary reply for flipps openin'

  post. He is one of the most polite posters on this board

  and there is no need for you to attack him . He shows

  so much class for brushin' you off like a piece of dirt

  I'm not attacking dolphinboy. He's probably a real nice guy. I'm calling him a coward for living a liar's life so that he can be safe from criticism

  I have 3 daughters who will not speak to me because I'm disfellowshipped and will never return to the JWs

  If the board owner bans me for speaking my mind, so be it
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  wasblind

  Iron head, you know good and well people are allowed

  to speak their minds on this board, but there are rules

  #1. Insulting, threatening or provoking langauge you

  were not banned for speakin' your mind you broke rules

  then you come back again under another name after you been

  banned and start the same thing over again
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  OnTheWayOut

  Just to directly address the issue Iron Head brings up, WTS uses treachery to get its members. It uses dangerous mind-control techniques to get members to raise their children in the lie and it uses misleading half-truths and failure to disclose full information to recruit members.

  The same organization uses dangerous mind-control fear tactics to cause Iron Head's daughters to cease speaking to him. It does the same for all its members toward former members, be they family or just congregation members.

  I see it as a personal decison with no right or wrong for a former believer to decide how to deal with such an organization and family members captive to it's dangerous tactics. It is not necessarily cowardly to make the decision not to fully disclose information and personal beliefs/opinions to family or other JW's. Some people choose to fully speak their mind and others choose to hold back.

  In a much simpler example, you don't need to tell family members that they are idiots or jackasses or fat slobs, if telling them such things (no matter how true) will cause them to shun you. But the issues when dealing with a dangerous mind-control cult are not simple like that. We don't need to tell Iron Head that he is being a jackass here on JWN if Iron Head will shun us for doing so, but others might decide to do just that.
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  poopsiecakes

  jeeez you really do have an iron head, don't you? Expressing your opinion is one thing but the judgmental and insulting spirit of your posts is what people take issue with. Isn't that the one thing that should be left behind when you've left the Borg? Unless of course, that's a trait that's a deep set part of your personality in which case, please work on it and be cautious when referring to the WT as hypocritical in THEIR judgmental stance...

  Hugs to Flipper - keep on keepin' on, darlin. I sincerely hope that your daughter will see the true light one day.
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  JRK

  Iron Stooge,

  Flipper is no more a coward than you are a rocket scientist. You deal with things in your way, and he in his. Now STFU!

  JK
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  Iron Head

  Iron head, you know good and well people are allowed

  to speak their minds on this board, but there are rules

  #1. Insulting, threatening or provoking langauge you

  were not banned for speakin' your mind you broke rules

  then you come back again under another name after you been

  banned and start the same thing over again

  I was deleted from this board without explanation, after e-mails which were never replied to

  I reapplied to this board as a new user. My new username was accepted. It's now Iron Head
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  wasblind

  Iron head the things you did were self explanatory
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  Iron Head

  Expressing your opinion is one thing but the judgmental and insulting spirit of your posts is what people take issue with. Isn't that the one thing that should be left behind when you've left the Borg?

  No. I enjoy expressing myself

  I'll continue to do so here, until the powers that be remove it from me