An Old Argument.... does it hold water? (page 59)

AGuest

We all 7 billion on earth get a chance to "show themselves"?

As well as all those that have lived and died before now, yes, dear Jay (peace!)... one way or another. To show themselves as either His seed... or the "enemy's." And that showing doesn't necessarily start at adulthood; actually, most manifest who they are as [very] young children. From that time, both are further "trained" by their respective "father."

I hope this helps, as well, and again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

jay88

Very young....like?

EntirelyPossible

Apparently not, dear EP (as always, peace to you!). There is no English word "hallel". It is a Hebrew word accepted in English. Like "Gehenna". If my Lord was given me the ENGLISH rendition, he would have said, "Praise you, Jah."

I never said there was. I specifically said it was a transliteration. Which it is.

I am referring the word "hallel", which means "praise" in Hebrew. You know, the plural imperative of which is "hallal"? The Arabic word (which my Lord did not speak to me) is "Alhamdulillah" (or "Praise you God... wait for it... Yah").

You are STILL using transliterations with a modern Latin alphabet of a words that NO ONE knows how it was originally pronounced. This makes your modern English sound it out comparison invalid.

You may as well say that the Chin Dynasty got its name from the chin on your face because they sound the same in English and are spelled the same in the Latin alphabet. Totally invalid comparison.

[But wait - are you thinking that I'm comparing "hallel" (hallal) to "halal"... from the Islamic meaning "lawful"... as in Islamic meat?? If so, then we're talking apples (me) and oranges (you).

No, I am not thinking that at all. Why would I be thinking that? And oranges are superior, they prevent scurvy. Apples prevent...not having apples.

I know a few Muslims and they agree.

They are just as wrong.

But totally fine for, say, "Jesus", "Jehovah", "Yahweh" and the like... yes?

That depends on what you are doing. If you are making a comparison within the same language then it is whhen comparing if the words are related. For knowing how they were pronounced 3000 years ago, then no, because we don't know that. And they are all still transliterations.

cofty

To show themselves as either His seed... or the enemy's.

This is the 'them and us' mentality that makes religion so harmful. (and yes Shelby it is religion despite all your protests to the contrary)

How can anybody claim to love when they view the world in these terms? This sort of mentality is contemptible.

EntirelyPossible

I have done some bad things.

Agreed. You routinely chop logic to death and murder grammar.

EntirelyPossible

How Cofty? To feel special. After all, GOD is going to be doing all the killing, not them. They are just special enough to get to enjoy it.

still thinking

I don't think anyone has the claim to perfection N.drew....And with the exception of some truly horrible people who have severe psychological disorders, I don't think anyone should blame themselves for the condition of the world...God or no god...we have very little power to change the world. And we certainly aren't responsible for natural disasters.

Governments and greed contol the problems we can change, but what a battle that is if you want to take them on. We can do our bit by not buying products produced by slave labour, try to be more envirionmentally friendly, volunteer, donate etc etc...but unless you want to make a martyr of yourself...not so much.

I believe that forgiving yourself is the first step in helping the world...you cannot help anyone else if you can't even help yourself.

N.drew

@ You routinely chop logic to death and murder grammar.

Tell me how I violate the English language so that I might improve. Don't just keep dropping a bomb. Either help or be quiet? You know what I want to say, but it isn't nice. Only pretty girls on TV can say it and then it's not bad. But I'm not on TV. Haha.

EntirelyPossible

Either help or be quiet?

For starters, that should have ended with a period or exclamation point rather than a question mark.

You know what I want to say, but it isn't nice.

No, I don't know what you want to say. It seems that you don't either.

AGuest

that NO ONE knows how it was originally pronounced.

OH!! THAT's what you mean, dear EP (again, peace to you!)! Well, you are certainly correct that I wouldn't know (wouldn't have a CLUE!). But my Lord DOES know how it was pronounced origninally. How else do you think I could ever know? I can only pronounce/spell it so that it's pronounced as he tells it to me, though...

This is the 'them and us' mentality that makes religion so harmful. (and yes Shelby it is religion despite all your protests to the contrary)

Anything that is harmfully divisive is harmful, dear Cofty (again, peace to you!). Religion doesn't have exclusive rights on that. If, however, that "them" is, say... people who harm animals... and the "us" is, say, people who protect them... what is the harm in "us" saying to "them"... "Come! Learn what we have about these animals. Perhaps doing so might MOVE you to have more compassion for them, even help take care of them!" I mean, PETA is an "us", is it not? And the SPCA? While animal abusers are a "them"? And vice versa?

C'mon, dear one... there are all kinds of "us-es" and "thems"... and not necessarily in a bad way. Religion, however, HAS created a harmfully divisive "us" and "them" scenario. The problem here, though, is that you can't separate your own understanding so as to SEE that not all has anything to do with religion. Free your mind, dear one... and perhaps the rest (i.e., your heart... and your vision)... follow.

How can anybody claim to love when they view the world in these terms? This sort of mentality is contemptible.

Wait... so YOU don't view you and other atheists as "us"... and religionists as "them"? Or you and those here who believe/think/disbelieve as "us"... and me and those who think like/similar to me as "them"? Seriously? You truly want me/us/them to believe that? Goodness, some of you are even MORE hypocritical than the religionists you disdain.

Shaking head (for perhaps the 6th time today!)...

Peace to you... and a tad more enlightenment. Not as to faith, but as to yourself...

A slave of Christ,

SA

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

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