The wonders of God's creation - Example 1, the tsetse fly (page 23)

cofty

we live in a world with senseless death - Sab

Yes of course we do. What's your point?

cofty

Its comforting to think everything is part of some greater purpose but that's just a delusion like an infant's comfort blanket.

To be truly content we need to grow up and accept the most profound philosophical truth in the cosmos - Shit Happens!

You know it, I've been trying to explain it for pages and pages. That there is sense to everything, including suffering and death. So, therefore there is no senseless death in our universe. There is the appearence of senseless death, yes, but if we had all the facts about everything we'd see that it's actually not. The only difference is that we are not aware of all the facts about everything. And there doesn't seem to be a means of communication with the source of all life in such a way as to get facts like candy. Human history proves that if God exists, he has a much less active role in our lives then many people believe. However, that doesn't mean that there is no God and that senseless eternal death exists within our universe.

-Sab

ziddina

"Any god that is in the PSYCHOLOGICAL image of man/humans, CANNOT be the "true" god, for it/he/they/she are MADE IN THE IMAGE OF SOMETHING THAT EXISTS ON EARTH... [psychological image, but made in our likeness nonetheless...]"

"Isaac created an ornate cloak for his son. This represents, in part, human's creative nature because he was made in the image of a creator. That's why science is here, because we created the scientific method. We are creators! That's why Adam and Eve are depicted as eating from the Good and Bad tree, it symbolized autonomy from God. ..." Sab

Let me run two "out-of-the-box" concepts past you.

First, the reason that humans have created "creators", is because the human race needs to create things to survive. Early in human existence, humans had to create spears, atl-atls, clovis spearheads, hide scrapers, axe-heads, bow and arrows, pottery, cisterns, graineries, and so on, in order to survive.

Hobbled by that limitation - or having evolved that ability, the human race has long made the mistake of thinking that, because WE can "make" stuff, then we ourselves had to have been "made"...

Add to that the long dependence on parents, that human infants have, and one sees the need for a ghostly "parent" image to continue on in the human's life, even after adulthood is reached - and throughout much of human history, children did NOT have their fleshly human parents around as they matured and especially after they reached adulthood.

Combine these two factors, and one has a human that thinks that a gigantic, invisible "parent" "made" us...

Now for the second "out-of-box" item...

Humans are one of the YOUNGEST species on the planet.

Yet, if we were to consider the possibility of a 'god' - that supposedly 'built' this planet, such a 'deity' would have to have existed BEFORE the earth did...

So, such a deity would need to be extremely OLD - not "NEW"...

What makes humankind - men - think, that an OLD 'god' would resemble THEM??? After all, they are RECENT - not ancient.

I've long toyed with the idea that an earth 'deity' would more closely resemble horseshoe crabs - which first appear in the fossil record around 455 million years ago...

Or it would resemble trilobites - even older, or pikaia gracilens, the earliest known vertebrate life form, at 505 million years old...

It's only human ego, that caused the human gods to be formed in humans' images...

sabastious

To be truly content we need to grow up and accept the most profound philosophical truth in the cosmos - Shit Happens!

I 100% agree and will be using that term with my children when they are older. But what we call sh*t is not ultimately in vain, ever, and it's in no way evidence against a creator of all life or an afterlife.

-Sab

sabastious

First, the reason that humans have created "creators", is because the human race needs to create things to survive. Early in human existence, humans had to create spears, atl-atls, clovis spearheads, hide scrapers, axe-heads, bow and arrows, pottery, cisterns, graineries, and so on, in order to survive.

It's cool that you can go into detail like that. It shows insight into the mind of God.

-Sab

thetrueone

Neither would I blindly believe it was part of an intricate scheme.

That kind of goes against what you previous said, you postulated that everything that happens on earth regarding evolutionary biology

is in fact rooted in god's design, in one way or the other. The analogy I used could happen one day, what and where would you

turn to, to understand this, in your mystical texts of the bible ?

Keep in mind that this particular virus kills all people who were Jews, Muslims and JWS etc.

sabastious

What makes humankind - men - think, that an OLD 'god' would resemble THEM??? After all, they are RECENT - not ancient.

Humans are the stewards on the planet. We took an incredible amount of effort to grow. We are the cherry placed on top as the last peice to the sunday. The fact that we are so young and are the dominant species on the planet is an interesting fact.

-Sab

ziddina

"Is there any purpose to the death they cause? In your world, no, there is not purpose at all. So, we live in a world with senseless death,..." Sab, page 11, post #7821

The concept of "senseless" death, would only occur to someone who thinks that some 'magickal' supreme being has a gigantic - though super-secret - "plan"...

Death is neither 'senseless' nor 'sensible'; it merely exists. Death comes to all things. Planets die, suns die, even galaxies die; even the universe itself will die, eventually.

Death is a part of the process of life. It is not intrinsically "evil"; it just is.

sabastious

That kind of goes against what you previous said, you postulated that everything that happens on earth regarding evolutionary biology
is in fact rooted in god's design, in one way or the other.

Biology is just rules set by a creative force. That could literally just be setting a few core values and letting the rest play out by, and build upon, itself.

-Sab

The wonders of God's creation - Example 1, the tsetse fly

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