Just to let you know, jambon1, I cannot wait for Example 2.
It's gonna be a blast.
The wonders of God's creation - Example 1, the tsetse fly
by jambon1 319 Replies latest jw friends
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cofty
What do you mean by "spirituality" Sab? - Cofty
Two realms: one physical the other spiritual. - Sab
To say that spiritual is not physical is a truism, its not even the beginning of a positive definition.
Please try again.
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cantleave
Just to let you know, jambon1, I cannot wait for Example 2. It's gonna be a blast.
LOL
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ziddina
"Now that you mention it. The only place I see evolution in action is DC Comics, cartoons and Science Fiction movies. Must say, I do enjoy them, but at the same time I remember that they are all based on fiction. ...." Vidgun, page #9
Hah!!!
Check out the evolutionary tree of Christianity's development, if you REALLY want to see evolution in action...
"Christianity has Evolved
Many people will be aware that christianity has many denominations or sects, like branches off a tree. Many christians are quick to say that catholics are not 'true' christians, yet they fail to realise that all protestant christianity has catholic roots. They may also say christians of other denominations are not 'true christians.'
Many christians do not realise either, that the ku klux klan identify as christian. Jehovah witnesses and mormons also evolved from christian roots, just like the baptists or pentecostals. They all have different translations of the bible, and various interpretations, which define their sects/cults/denominations. And they each think their version is 'The Truth' and everyone else is a cult. The mormons started out as a polygamous sect, but now only a cult of mormonism practises plural marriage.
Christianity in the past few centuries has evolved too - previously christians believed the Earth was flat and the Sun went around Earth. They also believed the sky was a fixed, solid dome. People that said otherwise were tortured and burnt at the stake by the church.
They also believed that God created the Earth less than 6,000 years ago. Nowadays, there are a mixture of belief systems, influenced by evidence in science of evolution of life and an ancient Earth. There are Young Earth Creationists, Old Earth Creationists, Christians that also believe in evolution and more.
Christian Denominations
Evolutionary tree showing christianity. Protestants like baptists have catholic roots.
Someone previously posted a much clearer version of the evolutionary tree - tree of descent - of Christianity's evolution... [another thread - can't remember the title of it at the moment...] Christians are the only ones NOT aware of this situation... -
sabastious
To say that spiritual is not physical is a truism, its not even the beginning of a positive definition.
The beginning of anything is when you have a separation. When I show you the front of my hand you instinctively know that the back of it does indeed exist, when, if I hold my hand just right you could not prove it without changing the angle of your view and revealing the back of my hand.
I know that that there are two plains of existence. What I am and what I think. What I am resides in the physical realm and what I think resides in the spiritual realm. Therein lies the separation of the world of man and the world of God. In the world of man we have things like physics which spring forth all types of things like planets and biological evolution. In the world of God there are no rules. It's a world of creation, not limitation. God is the idea we are the way that idea comes to be.
-Sab
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cofty
I know that that there are two plains of existence. What I am and what I think. What I am resides in the physical realm and what I think resides in the spiritual realm.
So what you think is not part of the physical realm, is that what you are saying?
Why do you think you know more about this than neuro-scientists?
God is the idea we are the way that idea comes to be.
Could you explain this please I can't understand it?
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thetrueone
No more damage than the atheist community has done to the world of spirituality. Purposeful damage mind you.
Really, you mean all those individuals who strived to understand the world we live outside of the confines of spirituality were wrought
with damage toward humanity. So you rather be living with your family in times of ancient Judea, where spirituality was at its up most strongest
within that civilization ? What were saying again about intellectual dishonesty ?
Sab. I started a thread today regarding the damaging effects of the various opposing theologies present today.
I invite you to have a listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3YgQfR3sEM&feature=player_embedded
The problem remains which spirituality is the true spirituality, yours or theirs, they hate and you want you destroyed as much as you look
forward to them being destroyed. Who will win the god contest has been going on since man's first tribal civilization capabilities.
The observation over the duration of human history toward this war of spirituality has caused much harm toward humanity in regards to
human sociological behavior. Starting no less from immediate personal family relationships (JWS), expanding to wars between nations.
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ziddina
"So, their actual existence and the itchy bumps on my forearms exist because of the natural relationship between fish and mosquito larva. One could point at our bumps and say, "why?" And they would have a good question. But, even if the question cannot be reasonable answered does not mean God doesn't care about humans just as a human father shouldn't be blamed for allowing his son to scrape his knee. ..." Sab, page 9, post #7800
Mosquitoes are the main agent responsible for the spread of malaria, which has also killed millions down thru the eons...
In fact, according to this website: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/2/l_012_02.html
"Doctors noticed that patients who had sickle cell anemia, a serious hereditary blood disease, were more likely to survive malaria, a disease which kills some 1.2 million people every year...."
You'll notice, between sleeping sickness at 250,000 - 300,000 per year, and malaria at 1.2 million per year, more people die from those two diseases alone, than people killed yearly by automobiles...
"Right now ,we are just a baked potato in the oven....." Sab, page 9, post #7801
If you are going to use that silly "baked potato" illustration, kindly limit your references to yourself only, as you are the only 'half-baked' "potato" that is currently on this thread...
"We have already discovered invisibility and have the ability to hide from time itself. It all sounds like science fiction and it was not very long ago. ..." Sab, page 9, post #7804
Sab, you must stop getting your "science" education from DC comics and sci-fi fantasy literature... Try "Smithsonian" magazine, instead, to start with... Then move up to National Geographic....
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TD
Thank you for bringing up mosquitos. I struggled as a Witnesss with the reasoning as to why mosquitos live along side of us. What I found out is that a tangible reason that mosquitos exist is to provide food for fish in the nearby rivers.
With respect Sab, that is a facial description of the 'parasite paradox' almost to the point of being a strawman.
When a female Anopheline mosquito bites someone infected with malaria, it consumes both male and female malarial gametocytes in the victim’s blood. Within the mosquito’s midgut, the male gametocyte undergoes a nuclear division, producing eight flagellated microgametes which fertilize the female macrogamete. The resulting ookinete traverses the mosquito gut wall, forming an oocyst on the outside of the organ. After a few hours, the oocyst ruptures, releasing hundreds of sporozoites into the mosquito body cavity where they migrate to the mosquito salivary gland.
Infection in humans begins with the bite of the infected mosquito. The sporozoites released from the salivary glands of the mosquito enter the bloodstream and invade liver cells. During the next 14 days these parasites differentiate and undergo asexual multiplication resulting in tens of thousands of merozoites which then burst from the infected hepatocyte, into the blood stream. These merozoites now invade red blood cells and undergo an additional round of multiplication producing more merozoites. Some of these go on to invade additional erythrocytes and while others now differentiate into the sexual forms; the male and female gametocytes. These gametocytes will be taken up by the next female Anopheline mosquito that bites.
This is a complicated process involving two distinct synchronous vectors. It's what Creationists call 'Interdependent design' because Plasmodium falciparum is directly dependent upon two other life forms for reproduction. Until recently, epidemiologists have been unable to fully explain why malaria spreads with such alarming efficiency. But it has recently been discovered that P. falciparum facilitates its spread by actually making its human victims more attractive to mosquitoes.
Exactly what enabled a vicious little parasite to manipulate human body chemistry so as to alter the biting behavior of mosquitoes when it is ready for a new host? Do you think this was designed or do think it evolved?
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ziddina
"Cofty, have you heard of natural immunity? E.g. Europeans are naturally more resistant to HIV, whereas Africans are more prone to contract the disease. Some of those populations in endemic sleeping sickness areas, have become resistant against the parasite. So the potential is there. Through inoculation, one can "train" the immune system to recognize harmful antigens. ..." Vidgun, page 9, post #376
Vidgun, you nitwit, that IS EVOLUTION IN ACTION!!!
The reason Europeans HAVE SLIGHTLY MORE resistance to HIV virus, is due to some variant of that virus roaring through the ancestral European population... That plague - or more likely, multiple plagues - forced European ancestors to DEVELOP an immune-system response to the virus...
And I've not heard of African populations becoming resistant to the "sleeping sickness", but that "sickle-cell" anemia which African-Americans are prone to, is an EVOLVED RESPONSE to the disease of malaria.... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/2/l_012_02.html
"A Mutation Story:
A gene known as HbS was the center of a medical and evolutionary detective story that began in the middle 1940s in Africa. Doctors noticed that patients who had sickle cell anemia, a serious hereditary blood disease, were more likely to survive malaria, a disease which kills some 1.2 million people every year. What was puzzling was why sickle cell anemia was so prevalent in some African populations.How could a "bad" gene -- the mutation that causes the sometimes lethal sickle cell disease -- also be beneficial? On the other hand, if it didn't provide some survival advantage, why had the sickle gene persisted in such a high frequency in the populations that had it?
The sickle cell mutation is a like a typographical error in the DNA code of the gene that tells the body how to make a form of hemoglobin (Hb), the oxygen-carrying molecule in our blood. Every person has two copies of the hemoglobin gene. Usually, both genes make a normal hemoglobin protein. When someone inherits two mutant copies of the hemoglobin gene, the abnormal form of the hemoglobin protein causes the red blood cells to lose oxygen and warp into a sickle shape during periods of high activity. These sickled cells become stuck in small blood vessels, causing a "crisis" of pain, fever, swelling, and tissue damage that can lead to death. This is sickle cell anemia.
But it takes two copies of the mutant gene, one from each parent, to give someone the full-blown disease. Many people have just one copy, the other being normal. Those who carry the sickle cell trait do not suffer nearly as severely from the disease.
Researchers found that the sickle cell gene is especially prevalent in areas of Africa hard-hit by malaria. In some regions, as much as 40 percent of the population carries at least one HbS gene.
It turns out that, in these areas, HbS carriers have been naturally selected, because the trait confers some resistance to malaria. Their red blood cells, containing some abnormal hemoglobin, tend to sickle when they are infected by the malaria parasite. Those infected cells flow through the spleen, which culls them out because of their sickle shape -- and the parasite is eliminated along with them.
Scientists believe the sickle cell gene appeared and disappeared in the population several times, but became permanently established after a particularly vicious form of malaria jumped from animals to humans in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. ..."
Evolutionary tree showing christianity. Protestants like baptists have catholic roots.