Why do people pretend good things about Jesus ?

by mP 418 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  tec

  Uh oh, I sense a "no true Scotsman" fallacy going on.

  Are you spidey? Cuz you might want to get that 'sense' checked out ;)

  You can be a 'true scotsman' and still misunderstand.

  Example? I mean, he didn't say slavery was bad, he seemed pretty OK with it. So .... example?

  Would you like to be enslaved and held against your will, EP? (and I don't mean for... fun...)

  Jesus didn't say that, so you can't really use is as proof of what he said

  True. I got ahead of myself, adding a supporting scripture from a prophet in addition to his own words.

  Why not? Are you not able to just ask? It's a pretty important subject to a lot of people, not just posters on JWN. Some people are concerned that the scriptures allowed slavery---not Sab though---he's cool with it.

  I can ask anything i want. I don't always receive an answer right away. You don't need me though. You can ask, yourself.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  NewChapter

  I can ask anything i want. I don't always receive an answer right away. You don't need me though. You can ask, yourself.

  Why don't you want to ask? Aren't you curious? Is it not important? You are being challenged---repeatedly and forever. Why wouldn't you ask? I don't ask because I don't have the phone number. This is very interesting. You have not, and maybe will not ask. I mean, come on, Tec, you asked him about an internet argument! If you can take something like that to him, why not the heavy subject of slavery?
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  tec

  If you deny it, you are truly beyond hope:

  LOL... you are the one trying to convince someone that a god (you don't believe exists) approves of and endorses slavery (an action you think is evil). But somehow it is me who is beyond hope?

  My Lord does not teach me thus. He has, however, taught me that the scribes did not always speak or teach the truth. Even showed it in his discussion about the divorce law given by Moses.

  So I listen to Him... and the things HE specifically taught. Namely, the law on love (for God and others), the golden rule, mercy (especially over sacrifice), forgiveness, no judging, love also for one's enemies... and to love as HE loved.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  sabastious

  People have been saying there is no God long before and long after Jesus. So the timing is...?

  Yes and their reason has always been that the actions of the gods do not make sense. But in reality that argument doesn't make sense because gods would not be able to be well understood. When you give up on trying to understand gods you stop the forward momentum of the general human understanding of gods. We need more people who have a mustard seed of faith, but you seek to squish it with reason. Your assertion that faith is mind rot is actually the mind rot itself. Life is an M Night Shyamalan movie. Are you not here on JWN to give the people here, present and future, opportunity to embrace critical thinking? Is that not the line morality that you use to justify approaching the faithful with "sincerity"? I ask you: what collection of ideas about God are valid? If you do not believe that such a collection exists then it's logically impossible for you to approach a believer about their beliefs with sincerity. The sincerity would come from curiousity of course, but don't you know that what will be said will be illogical to you? Or do you operate on the notion that there may come a day when someone can prove gods to you? Because if that were the truth then you would be an agnostic, not an atheist.

  -Sab
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  cofty

  Your assertion that faith is mind rot

  Hey that was me ... credit where its due please
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  tec

  Why don't you want to ask? Aren't you curious? Is it not important?

  I understand His teaching on love. I understand that love does not enslave another human being. So I don't need to ask, NC.

  You are being challenged---repeatedly and forever.

  So, lol? I would challenged (and mocked/ridiculed) even more if I asked and shared what I was given.

  I mean, come on, Tec, you asked him about an internet argument!

  I asked him about my behavior. To correct myself if need be so as not to wrong someone else.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  EntirelyPossible

  Are you spidey? Cuz you might want to get that 'sense' checked out

  I am! One can be misunderstood, but that was the beginnings of a "no true Scotsman" fallacy nonetheless.

  Would you like to be enslaved and held against your will, EP?

  Relevancy?

  I got ahead of myself, adding a supporting scripture from a prophet in addition to his own words.

  Indeed you did. Where are the words "Hey assholes, don't own people" that you are supporting?
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  sabastious

  Can I think of a good reason for keeping a slave against their will?

  I like that example. So, the superior have a responsibility to the inferior do they not? I think that's largely where the problem in society lies. The inferior do not want to consider themselves such because they are actually devalued. The superior have a tendency to devalue the lower echelon creating a class war and a frantic race for material security. Confucius taught of a mutual respect between inferior and superior people. If someone humbles themselves when they have nothing they can become a slave and work towards having something, but society has to allow for it. Every single person holds a position in society that is required much like a corporation in the modern world. Not everyone gets the same pay or treatment, but all positions are required. That doesn't mean that the corporation employee schemas don't change and people don't lose their jobs, but within the structure that is being applied every cog is needed just like in a clock.

  Jesus said to leave the 99 for the 1. That means that a FULL team is no longer a team without all members. The clock is broken until all the cogs are set in place. He also said don't call yourself "father" or give titles like that. Leadership is earned and society also dictates how that is quantified and sets the qualifications. That's what documents like the Torah Scroll was designed to do. To be that societal point of reference that forged leaders out of any collection of humans.

  -Sab
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  King Solomon

  If you deny it, you are truly beyond hope:

  LOL... you are the one trying to convince someone that a god (you don't believe exists) approves of and endorses slavery (an action you think is evil).

  I think I've done it, unless you just want to block what anyone with open eyes can see clearly.

  You cannot overcome the FACT that your own Holy Book PROVES that your God permits (and even demands, at times) the practice of slavery; Jesus followed YHWH's law, since HE KNEW that the torah endorses slavery.

  In fact, slavery wasn't even controversial at the time Jesus lived: ALMOST NO ONE objected (well, accept for Zoroasterians, who outlawed slavery 500 yrs before Jesus was born, but lost influence as their power waned as the Empire fell). Slavery wasn't even an eyebrow-raiser at the time, since it was an accepted practice, dismissed as "that's just the way it is" (think Bruce Hornsby song of the same name).

  I don't have to believe in your Biblical delusion to understand it, and try and show you and others how your treasured belief system is a total house of cards, based on believing old (Mesopotamian) lies stacked on top of newer lies (Hebrew), stacked on top of yet-newer lies (Xianity). Old lies aren't like fine wines; they don't become better with age.
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  tec

  Relevancy?

  You're a smart man. I'm sure you know what the relevancy of your answer to my point.

  Peace,

  tammy