Why do people pretend good things about Jesus ?

by mP 418 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • tec
    tec

    I never asked you or anyone to step out, thank you.

    I...

    just find it funny when someone tells me I am without hope, but spends his time trying to convince me of something he hates, coming from someone he does not believe in. Seems funny to me to try and convince me to believe bad things, and ignore good things.

    Sol has me judged and condemned for what others believe, even though I have stated clearly that I do not believe the same; and do not follow the same. Hence the comment about caring more of what people DO, rather than what they do or do not believe.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Tammy said:

    Yeah, Sol, i know. You're a one size fits all kind of person. In this case, a one size judge all kind of person.

    See what I did there? I used a fundamental principle taken from YHWH Himself, and applied it to you. Hate it when that happens, huh?

    You probably don't appreciate the irony of your objecting to the basic principle found in the Torah that the entire group bears the burden of punishment for the sins of the individual: if you had actually bothered to learn anything about the ancient Hebrews, you'd learn that IS a cornerstone principle upon which the Torah is based, and reflects the attempts of YHWH to build community values, a sense of identity in his "Chosen People". The shared punishment (regardless of individual culpability) is also the basis of Hebraic attempts to explain why God had foresaken them, with the sins of the few explained as the cause for the entire community to be punished (eg why they were exiled to Babylon: the explanation was that they were being punished for the few practicing idolatry).

    In fact, they also used the same communal concept for atonement for sin, eg the practice of sending a "scape goat" into the desert to die and atone for communal sins is also a basic concept derived from Hebraic thought, but in reverse.

    The point is, it's classic group-think: the group sinks or swims as a group, and NOT as individuals.

    I know you think you can approach YHWH and Jesus as an individual, or on your own merits, but there's no basis for believing that: it's completely extra-scriptural.

    So read them cards and weep: that's the way the system works in the OT and NT, and if you don't ascribe to it (and don't endorse nasty little practices like slavery), then perhaps it's time to find belief system more conducive to your loving nature, i.e. one that doesn't require you to sacrifice your own "in-born" (if you wish to think of it that way) sense of "right and wrong" and morality upon the altar to YHWH?

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Hence the comment about caring more of what people DO, rather than what they do or do not believe

    Yes, well, from what I have seen, what they do is pretty unimpressive too.

  • tec
    tec

    You should try reading Ezekiel 18, Sol... to understand some of the things the Israelites taught that was wrong.

    HOWEVER, the fact remains that you get to read them cards and weep: that's the way the OT judicial system works

    Good thing I follow Christ and not the OT judical system, then,hmm?

    Peace,

    tammy

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    you don't know what I believe.

    You are right, I don't get to tell you that, but I have a right to speculate. Do you believe Jesus was good?

    -Sab

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    I used a fundamental principle taken from YHWH Himself

    How could you do this if YHWH didn't exist?

    -Sab

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    You should try reading Ezekiel 18, Sol... to understand some of the things the Israelites taught that was wrong.

    Tams, r u just pulling my leg, quoting Ezekiel, AFTER acting like a purist who's concerned about extra-torahic errors? You DO realize Ezekiel is NOT part of the torah, the book that Jesus endorsed?

    You just cannot be serious, OR you are, but you're ignorant of the very basics of what your beloved Savior Jesus was an expert on, and knew inside and out (if you believe the Gospels).

  • Diest
    Diest

    Buffet Christianity....Eat Up. Eat as much of the good stuff as you like without having to eat your spinich. Slavery, opressing women? Ill pass, sign me up for the hokey pokey Jesus loves me and dont worry about eating the solid stuff, just stick to the biblical dessert.

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    Why do people pretend good things about Jesus ?

    First, please forgive me, for I have not read this thread, and so I am just patching this in here.

    Certainly, any caring and loving person that believes in a guiding-deity, would choose and/or create a god that reflects the highest form of kindness and love. To believe in less would destroy the very foundation of their needs, desires and worship.

    For Christians, Jesus, must embody the utmost expression of purity and love, or there is no reason to believe, and perhaps no reason to live. There is a lot at stake!

    I know this because I was there once....as were many of us.

    Somehow, the less I relied on a god to guide me, the more I discovered the natural flow of empathy and compassion. I was free from belief in the chosen and the damned. Humanity was now a whole. I was now free to love.

    j

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Sab said:

    How could you do this if YHWH didn't exist?

    You cannot be that dense: you don't have to believe in something to understand it. I can explain the concept of Santa Claus, but it doesn't mean I believe in Him.

    James said:

    Somehow, the less I relied on a god to guide me, the more I discovered the natural flow of empathy and compassion. I was free from belief in the chosen and the damned. Humanity was now a whole. I was now free to love.

    Paradoxical how that works, huh? Once you abandon those cherished old beliefs that actually aren't supporting scaffolds, but confining cages, things can open up...

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