Why do people pretend good things about Jesus ?

by mP 418 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  King Solomon

  NC said:

  You truly have carefully crafted a little bubble. You pick the pieces of everything that support that bubble, and won't touch that which could break it. It is like a caccoon that protects you from so much reality. I have seen it grow even stronger. I am glad I no longer believe.

  Funny, as I was envisioning more of a hermit crab, a creature that picks what food morsels it deems edible, but then quickly retracts into it's shell (built out of "faith") when something threatens it?

  Maybe that's giving some Xians too much credit, tho: even the crab is not afraid to take the risk of exploring it's environment (if only forced to do so, in order to find food for survival.)

  
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  EntirelyPossible

  never mind what I shared regarding the scribes

  Are you suggesting lying scribes took out the parts where Jesus said "no slaves"?
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  tec

  Ironic, since it's your belief system that has been used to justify slavery, genocide, child abuse, etc, etc. EVEN TO THIS DAY.

  Except that it is not my belief system. It is an ugly twisting (lying pen of the scribes) to justify what men want for themselves.

  That's not MY belief system, but your's, all yours, Tams. The moral blood guilt is on YOUR hands, not mine...

  Really? As a man (I assume you are a man, being a king and all)... are you responsible for all the blood and pain that men have caused women in the past? The subjugation, the beatings, the rapings, the cheating, etc? Is that blood on your hands because you are a fellow man, even though you, yourself, do not do these things? If you were a German... is all the blood that was shed in WWII on your hands? Even though you had nothing to do with it, even though you speak out against it?

  As an american, or British, (if you are one)... is the blood of all slaves brought into the country upon your hands? Even though you had nothing to do with that, and speak out against it?

  If you want to lay all of that at my feet - judge me guilty of things I did not do and speak out against - then you should be prepared to do the same for yourself.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  King Solomon

  That's not MY belief system, but your's, all yours, Tams. The moral blood guilt is on YOUR hands, not mine...

  Really? As a man (I assume you are a man, being a king and all)... are you responsible for all the blood and pain that men have caused women in the past? The subjugation, the beatings, the rapings, the cheating, etc? Is that blood on your hands because you are a fellow man, even though you, yourself, do not do these things? If you were a German... is all the blood that was shed in WWII on your hands? Even though you had nothing to do with it, even though you speak out against it?

  As an american, or British, (if you are one)... is the blood of all slaves brought into the country upon your hands? Even though you had nothing to do with that, and speak out against it?

  If you want to lay all of that at my feet - judge me guilty of things I did not do and speak out against - then you should be prepared to do the same for yourself.

  Don't be foolish: someone cannot control their skin color or ancestry.

  The ONLY thing YOU can control is YOU, what YOU believe, what values you express as being important.

  If you've chosen to support YHWH, in whatever convoluted form you've chosen to do so, you share in Jesus' and YHWH's blood guilt (and since they don't actually exist, that makes it ALL the WORSE for the fellow believers who've done the same: you share the blame of those "lying scribes" as well).

  Think of say, the Rotary Club, a voluntary group of mortals: if you're a member, you share in the identity, the comraderie, etc. If a single Rotarian is a pedophile, the entire group takes the hit for the damage to the reputation.

  If you call yourself a believer in Jesus, a mortal who professes to be a Xian, then you share in his crimes with fellow mortals who do the same. You ENDORSE his beliefs. Sect doesn't matter: anyone who chooses to profess a belief in a lie is sharing in the blame, a crime against humanity that pales in comparison to the Lie the snake told Eve in the Garden.

  You share in Jesus' and YHWH's blood guilt, the crimes done in their names.
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  EntirelyPossible

  I believe in a First Intelligence (highest God) that will eventually be explained by quantum physics.

  So god will be extremely small, infinitesimal, if he is ever discovered? Sounds about right.

  I don't believe you are qualified to say what you know about yourself because you don't believe you have a purpose.

  I don't believe you are qualified to live in free society since you are a mentally disabled person that sees things that aren't there, loves slavery and has violent fantasies about driving nails into people.

  Oh, and you still don't know anything about me, so on top of the above, you don't know what I believe.

  You can't tell me what you are because you don't know.

  I AM THAT I AM. But, more importantly, what am I not? Someone that endorses ownership, rape and torture of other humans whilst having violent fantasties about driving nails into people. That would be you, cracker jack.

  Since no one yet has disproved the existence of God, would there not be some theory out there that is actually right all along, but lacks evidence.

  You keep going on and on about logic and then make a logical fallacy. Try again, cracker jack.

  But, if you admit that you could know everything when it's presented to you doesn't that mean that you are just currently ignorant to the truth?

  Not at all.
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  tec

  We don't agree with your bubblegum interpretation of Christ. Just because you say he is all warm and good, does not mean that is how people understand this christ. You are able to construct whatever you want----but that is not so for everyone. Santa Claus is a lovable character too---but does that mean we should not speak the truth about him when appropriate.

  You don't have to agree. I just find it funny when someone tells me I am without hope, but spends his time trying to convince me of something he hates, coming from someone he does not believe in. Seems funny to me to try and convince me to believe bad things, and ignore good things.

  And what would you recommend Sol, or any of us actually do? Just sit here and say nothing? Cuz it's a nice (not really) story? Obviously we believe we have gained a great deal by stepping outside of our bubbles--something you cannot comprehend yet. But we had our own bubbles once--and we are better off without them.

  Good then. But that is you.

  Since we're speaking about ourselves... do you know what I don't do?

  I don't go around trying to convince atheists how wrong they are for not believing, or how they can never be moral or good or saved or whatever.

  A, I don't believe that.

  B, I care what people DO... that is what shows what is within a person. Not what they 'believe' or 'do not believe'. Give me a peaceful, loving and forgiving atheist... and a violent, judgmental, hateful believer (who is more than likely a liar as well)... and I will call the atheist my brother (sister), and be honored to know them.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  tec

  Are you suggesting lying scribes took out the parts where Jesus said "no slaves"?

  No, I am suggesting they lied and twisted various parts of the law to suit their own purposes.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  tec

  Yeah, Sol, i know. You're a one size fits all kind of person. In this case, a one size judge all kind of person.

  (Even if some people infiltrated something good... lied about being part of it... used it to do all sorts of heinous things... then everyone who said... look, fraud, he is not one of us, we do not do this... is somehow still guilty of all the things that this person did.)

  Peace,

  tammy
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  tec

  The ONLY thing YOU can control is YOU, what YOU believe, what values you express as being important.

  Correct.

  I cannot control the actions or words (or lies and crimes) that others tell and commit.

  I have shared the 'values' that I hold as important, and the Christ who I follow.

  That my Christ and God are not the same as your thoughts on them... should mean what to me?

  Peace,

  tammy
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  NewChapter

  Not what they 'believe' or 'do not believe'.

  Great. Then leave it be. Step out of the debates---since you seem to be asking us to do so. And I am also interested in what people DO---and since believers mix in their beliefs to explain why they DO what they do---and I have seen it unfold here---I can say, first, I was deeply unimpressed---and secondly, when it comes to believers, separating their actions from their beliefs is impossible.

  NC