Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters

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  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Not what he thinks of Obama voters - he made it clear what he thinks of Americans - at least half of them. He made it clear what he thinks of American voters and voters in general because after all, that parasitic 47% include voters. I think Naomi Wolf wrote a very good article on the issue and in reality she is right - we should thank Mitt. He finally made it clear that it IS about class warfare - it is no longer about the American dream, about Americans, about people. It's become an us vs them issue and nothing can be clearer than that. sammiesw

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    How the Mitt Romney video killed the American Dream

    y Naomi Wolf

    Once, everyone believed they could succeed by hard work and gumption. Republicans no longer pretend to believe the myth. Mitt Romney being covertly filmedMitt Romney described 47% of Americans as government-dependent 'victims' in a covertly recorded video released by Mother Jones magazine this week. Photograph: ITN

    Mitt Romney's historic gaffe caught on video -- published, with great timing, by the left-leaning Mother Jones magazine -- in which he said that his campaign was writing off 47% of American voters since they "depended on government" handouts, was committed in an equally significant manner, as he delivered the remarks to a closed group of potential major donors in Florida. GOP stalwart and Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan is calling for an intervention in the campaign, and even some fellow Republicans are scampering to distance themselves from the inflammatory remarks.

    But I find the remarks fascinating and important to deconstruct because they affirm -- as insider discourse captured for the public often can -- the fact that a new kind of narrative for America has taken over from one of our oldest and most cherished national myths. What Romney's comments reveal is that the American Dream is dead, killed off by skepticism from the bottom up -- by the 99% of lower-income and middle-class people who no longer believe in it -- and by cynicism from the top down -- by the 1%, top-earning people who don't believe in it.

    What, after all, is the narrative of "the American Dream"? It was a discourse formulated between the 1880s and the 1920s in the United States during the great waves of migration and expansion and reforms of the Progressive Era. Slogans, often used by political leaders who wished to court the aspirational, immigrant vote, invoked a promise that America was "the land of opportunity", where hard work, gumption and a bit of luck could make any poor kid a millionaire.

    This mythology, embodied over those decades in the Horatio Alger stories consumed particularly by upwardly mobile young men and in the phrase "to pull oneself up by one's bootstraps," consistently held out that American promise by equating hard work (along with other good Puritan values such as delayed gratification, temperance, saving and self-reliance) with economic success. As new waves of immigrants reached our shores after the second world war, the implicit pledge was elaborated into the idea for immigrants that even if their own hard work did not lift them into a new social class, it would elevate their children into the ever-growing ranks of the middle class.

    The promise of the American Dream swept many presidents into power. Reagan offered a rightwing verison of it, with Bill Clinton -- departing from leftwing orthodoxy -- offering voters in 1992 a refreshingly-worded progressive version of the same promise: "work hard and play by the rules" and success will follow. Barack Obama, too, reprised the phrase in his 2008 campaign.

    But now, the injunction to "work hard and play by the rules" is more likely to elicit a cynical cough of derision than a rush to the polling station. Post Tarp, post Libor scandal, post Madoff scheme, post justice department's pass for Chase, post HSBC money-laundering, post Occupy, post the ever-widening income gap in this country, and post the evisceration of civil society and public institutions that protect the middle class, the entire underpinning of the American Dream has been uprooted. And everyone knows it.

    It is not surprising that the 99% stopped using the language of the American Dream, but what is notable from Romney's remarks is that even the wealthy have abandoned it. Notable because the premise -- that their own hard work and ingenuity is what caused their wealth to aggregate -- is a flattering and self-validating narrative. So, the fact that even the rich don't buy a version of what is now self-delusion is striking.

    What Romney's remarks show is that the wealthy are handling the corruption of a system that benefits them by assigning blame for the destruction of the American Dream to the have-nots. In the Reagan years, only "welfare queens" and the small percentage of people actually on food stamps were targeted as drains on the system -- needing "government handouts" and failing to "take responsibility for their lives." Now, as Romney admits, the wealthy deem virtually half the voting public as irredeemably shiftless moochers. Notable, too, is Romney's use of an Occupy-echoing phrase, "the 47%," whom he feels free to objectify and dismiss.

    Not especially shocking, though, is the fact that he is explaining to donors that he does not need that half of America. (Anyone who has worked on presidential campaigns knows that strategists all write off the 47% who will never vote for them; they just don't tend to go on camera to do that disparaging.)

    I have been noticing, with sadness, that politicians do not even bother invoking the American Dream anymore. They know that we know that everything is rigged against it now, and that the language no longer persuades even the most naive and idealistic; the best you'll get from a politician is a pledge, playing to nostalgia, to restore its lost promise. But what is striking about Romney's remarks is that they have replaced that commitment with a willingness to blame a vast swath of striving, middle-class Americans for their plight.

    We thus see a turning-point in American conservative philosophy. This was the moment when the wealthy elite stopped believing its own PR, the self-affirming myth of that economic success can always be had for those who want it and are willing to work. Mitt Romney has told us that it's now simply class war: a struggle to stop the other half getting what "we" have. Thank you for your candor, Mr Romney.

  • designs
    designs

    I thought it telling when the Recession was at its worse that Cisco with $46Billion in cash laid off 10,000 workers. If sales really dried up a argument can be made for cutting back but other businesses I know kept their crews going and everyone took a pay cut or hour cut but their was a team spirit that we would get through the worse of it together.

  • Glander
    Glander

    23 million people out of work. Imagine if they were tax payers instead of consumers. They would love to be paying income taxes again.

    The Romney comments were taken out of context. Period. Just how desperate are you cult followers?

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria
    Oh the fact that Romney has spent millions of dollars of his own money running, this is his second attempt, he already governed Mass. , he loved and respected his father and is following in his footsteps. Do you really think that someone running for the POTUS has no desire to govern? You just made a wild and clearly wrong statement. Your prejudice is blinding you. Not content with simply disagreeing with his policies you are now simply making up stuff. You got called out, take it, move on.

    My observations on the Romney's are based on their own words and actions. What are your observations based on? Personal knowledge? You appear to have a rather emotional interest in them.

    Why stop there, let's just claim he eats babies, farts agent orange and is part of an illuminati conspiracy to plant Monsanto terminator seeds on the moon. It's always a useful contribution to a discussion when you loosen any requirement to rationality or facts and start mixing your LDS with LSD and go full on piffle.

    What a bizarre comment. Is this an example of full on piffle? I did not mention LDS in my post. I don't dislike Mormonism any more than any other fundamentalist religion.

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    I walked into a Starbucks near a major So Cal university on a earlier today, and it was packed wit young college students studying. These students are the future of America, with students who appear to be of Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Pakistani, Indian, Black, Hispanic descent, where the clear minority are caucasians. A monocultural candidate like Willard Romney might've been appealing to voters in another time and/or place (1950? Utah?), but in today's multi-cultural America? Not a chance, as he's clearly so far out-of-touch with a significant portion of the U.S. populace that he cannot begin to comprehend their hopes and dreams, and understand the struggle they're going through to achieve a contemporary (read: atrophied) version of "the American Dream".

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    My problem with Romney is that he is part of the religious right. He has a horrible attitude toward a huge portion of Americans. He has said he will undo health care reform. I understand he flip flopped on it recently, but I do not trust him to continue reform. I don't believe he intends to help most Americans. I believe he will look out for the very wealthy. I believe his very conservative religious values will definitely affect his policy making. The part about him being Mormon that bothers me is that I view the religion as somewhat cultish. We all know there is a certain level of unhealthiness to the more cultish mindset.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Back when the Moral Majority was grabbing political power and bullying businesses, I went to some bible studies and knew some people that were of this mindset.

    I was working 3 jobs. I worked a full time job as a cashier in the evenings. On the weekends I took care of a lady with Alzheimers (I had been a nursing assistant before working as a cashier). And in the day time, I cleaned houses on my own. I was TIRED and I was still poor.

    The store I worked for sold Playboy etc. Fundie Christians had been successful at bullying 7-11 to remove them from their store, so they then targeted the company I worked for. They boycotted. They picketed. Now the company that I worked for always had an unspoken agreement with any community they were in. If they were within a certain distance of a school or a church, they voluntarily did not sell the magazines. The store I worked at was located next to a bar, so we had them, behind the counter, with an opaque covering over the covers. You could only see the name of the mag above the cover. Not enough.

    So my company decided to let the CUSTOMERS decide. Spend a dollar, get a ballot. But they didn't want to spend a dollar because they wanted to boycott. So they kicked and screamed and threw a tantrum until they go their way. They no longer had to spend a dollar to vote. They lost.

    It was during this time that I was invited to a bible study hosted by someone I cleaned for. They were of the Moral Majority ilk. During this study, they talked about the fact that people claim they don't have a right to tell businesses what magazines they can sell. My ears perked up! Then they insisted that they DID have not only that right but the authority to do so. Holy spirit gave it to them. They also read a scripture about riches being found with God. The conductor said that he reads that scripture and concludes that poverty is a sin. Yes, he did. These were people of great privilege. I know. I cleaned their houses. And they thought of me as a sinner because I was poor.

    There is a concept among conservatives in this country that the poor are lacking in some way. Character. Motivation. Morals. Whatever. Romney is not a fundie, but his philosophy flushes nicely with theirs. Something is wrong with the poor, that is why they are poor. This is 30 years later and they've gained a lot more power, and we see the consequences of this. They took over the Republican party and bullied everyone to toe their line, and the result is Romney.

    There is no way, knowing what I know and the people that I have known, that I believe Romney didn't mean exactly what he said. The Great Gatsby quote was a great one. We know it, and now they have finally got caught saying it. It is not all rich people, certainly not. But it is the Romneys and the Republican party today.

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    When the intelligentsia of the Republican party unquestioningly accept at face value Romney's remarks and offer analysis and criticism (such that Ann Romney told them to "Stop it!") the 'out-of-context' meme doesn't really fly. Interesting to see those of the 47% try to defend their candidate who clearly holds them in the same regard as his lawn-jockeys.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Well they are running around shouting out-of-context, and making claims about missing portions---but ROMNEY is not! It's ridiculous. THEY don't want to believe he really said that, but he's not backing down from what he said. He said it. It was in context. Unless I missed something, he hasn't claimed otherwise. The people claiming otherwise are those that just can't allow themselves to believe it and still support him.

    We know what he is about. We know these are his feelings. So much has pointed to it. But now he has simply said it. Embrace it! Support it! But why defend a man who is not defending himself?

    On the one hand, Romney says that anyone who pays more income tax than is required by law is not qualified to be POTUS. On the other, he called workers that take the credits and don't pay income tax or don't make enough to have to pay, are 'vicitims' that won't take responsiblity for their lives.

    Romeny says exactly what he believes. That the rich have different rules than the poor. That the rich are 'entitled' to their tax breaks, but the poor are only 'entitled', because they don't pay income tax.

    The man really disgusts me.

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    LOL NC, isn't that a hoot? What brainwashed fools they be.

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