I love how this topic has turned from something purely to lambast a board member (that didn't go so well, now did it Recovery? You just came out of it looking stupid and petty. ) to something truly educational (magic by any other name (miracle or the like) is still magic. At least that's the gist I'm getting. Great job y'all!
Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?
by Recovery 398 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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sabastious
A man named Simon practiced magic and people around him claimed he was using the power of God:
Acts 8 - 9 Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great, 10 and all the people, both high and low, gave him their attention and exclaimed, “This man is rightly called the Great Power of God.”
Further down the chapter:
36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
So, the "Simon" character in verses 9 and 10 of chapter 8 uses magic so powerful that the people mistake him for GOD (because God uses magic). Then in verse 38 God uses magic to teleport Philip. To say that God doesn't use magic is totally fallacious. Saying miracles are separate from magic is just arguing over words:
2 Tim 6 - 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
^ This verse descibes you to a tee. You are conceited, understand next to nothing and have an unhealthy interest in quarrels about words like the negligible differences between miracles and magic. Clearly, JWFacts is vastly your superior.
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rip van winkle
MrsJones5- I have mentioned to Recovery that his Avatar does him a great dis-service. Look at him! His brain isn't in his skull. Sad potato. He's goofy looking.
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Seriously, how can anyone take him seriously? Isn't he the pink elephant in the room?
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blondie
There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of your father he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. King Nebuchadnezzar your father--your father the king, I say--appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners. (DANIEL 5:11)
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Witness My Fury
You cant talk RVW, yours looks like the aftermath of some hideous road carnage incident involving several different animals all squished on top of each other!
Mine on the other hand is just awesomeness itself!!
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Recovery
No, the only thing that made anyone look stupid is attempting to use magic and miracles interchangeably when Jehovah expressly condemned one and endorsed the other. Even a thesarus does not use the two words interchangeably as synonyms but makes a clear distinction between the two. Thank you for proving that truth is of no import to many of you. You will do anything to divert the topic from talking about pumpkin soup to trying to spin this back on the WT. The desperation is obvious to onlookers. When you cannot overcome someones arguments instead of humbly admitting that you are wrong, you will weep and gnash and lash and scream and dazzle us with longevity and irrelevancies to divert and distract.
Jehovah says magic is detestable. Opposers say Gods people used magic and it is okay. They have lost all reasoning ability and humility in a desperate attempt to discredit JWs even if it means discrediting the Bible and the words.of Jehovah himself. I will respond to jwfacts questions when I am at a computer.
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Recovery
And yes, lets use the words of pagans who had no concept of distinction between the two to.prove our point. LOL
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sabastious
Recovery your choir isn't here, so you can't preach to them.
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rip van winkle
WMF- FYI, I am a majestic tree, with an antenna on my head in which I pick up signals. Can't you hear the frequency, Kenneth?
My limbs are twisted, one raised to the sky, upward, reaching, as I search for the greater meaning.
The other is outstretched to welcome.
My roots are firmly planted.
My eye is large so I can SEE all things clearly.
And my trunk is long, well, do I need to spell it out for you?!
It is a perfect picture of moi!
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still thinking
I thought RIP was a Balinese elephant tree balancing a champagne glass on his head.