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“People who state they are counselors have a moral responsibility to protect those they are working with.
“This group, AAWA, due to incompetence, has betrayed the trust of those they want to help. The warning here is to be cautious. We have already 'gotten to the bottom' of the issue.”
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Counselors have an ethical and professional duty toward those whom they counsel in relation to that relationship. Perhaps one’s sense of morality extends it further, but that strays into sticky territory for a counselor. In the case of AAWA, it certainly has a duty. It’s not quite the same as a counselor-patient relationship, but a duty nevertheless.
So far as I can see, there was some incompetency at work in the birthing stage of AAWA. That’s not terribly surprising. But for anyone who suffered as a result that’s no consolation and it’s not intended to be.
“This is why I say you are 'victim blaming' ..... once again.”
It’s paradoxical to see how someone I know is all for victims can be understood as victim blaming. That sort of misunderstanding is what makes human relationships a tedious thing. How to “read” a person is hard enough when face-to-face. In read-only forums like this, it’s nearly impossible. Yet it seems so easy for you to accuse me as you do.
“You could have taken a couple of hours to read the history on here, as provided by Simon, instead of berating victims and those who were trying to explain things to you. Instead, you chose to act like a prima donna, demanding special treatment. You bragged about all the money and time you have put into the cause. A little humility would be appropriate. We are all supposed to be equal here.”
People are not equal. I’m not equal with you and you’re not equal with me. Every person is unique and presents assets accordingly. Each person has something to give that others do not have to give. We are not equal. Otherwise we’d be little more than ants working on a hill.
It could well be the case that I’ve spent more time on this subject than you. Believe it or not, JWN is not the center of the known universe. What people say and do here is not and never has been the epicenter of things “Watchtower,” “Jehovah’s Witness” or “ex-JW”. JWN is one place among many.
When you speak of berating victims, honestly I have no idea what you’re talking about. Insofar as I can tell I’ve done no more than ask honest questions in an effort learn. There is no need for special treatment, and this certainly is not the place to find it were that the case. My expressions of resources expended was not to brag. It was to help convey why my interest in AAWA. What is there to brag for? I don’t tell anyone who I am in order to gain any glory.
Humility has a place, but not in serious discussions of learning. When you want to know something you have to be willing to step forward and ask hard questions and insist on sound answers, and then keep pressing until you find what you’re looking for. This is how I work. It’s how any person works who want to learn, and who wants to sort out sound information from unsound information.
Marvin Shilmer
