How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them? (page 15)

adamah

NewYork44M said-

The watchtower logic is that those that died in 9/11 were the lucky (pardon my French) ones. I hope you find this offensive, because I sure do.

How about the severely-depressed mother (suffering from post-partum depression) in the news who killed her 1 yr old son, and then killed herself, leaving a note behind saying that she killed them both, knowing that her son would go to Heaven and she'd be sent straight to Hell, but it was worth it since she loved her son SOOOO MUCH!

You can't argue with her correct interpretation of warped Christian logic™, since that IS the correct theology; however, that's the kind of demented deluded decisions that believers end up making, all from believing a string of little lies that give others comfort and hope. It ignores the social ramifications of those beliefs on OTHERS, and if the examples of Christian vs Muslim killing in Egypt due to religiosity does convince you, then I suppose nothing will. Believing in fantasies and delusions is deadly.

Adam

latinthunder

Then your god is not worthy of my respect.

But yet you respect the power of electricity don't you? If you do not assign the proper honor to powers beyond your control you may be suddenly destroyed by them. You must respect power simply because it's power regardless of your worth assessment.

I think you have a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome. You sound like an abused wife trying to justify her abuser's behaviour.

I think you need more data to draw such a conclusion.

So, you're saying that God is forced to follow the natural laws He (allegedly) set into motion, eg He is bound by the law of gravity, must follow electromagnetic principles, etc?

God IS the "top level Law" so to speak as the Source of all Law. He isn't bound by anything but Himself.

Then God is not omnipotent, then, is He?

Omnipotence is defined by limitless power. If ALL other laws (powers, forces) in existence are governed by a single unified Force called "God" that Force IS limitless and therefore omnipotent.

For if God is confined by His own laws, His hands are pretty tied

If God is the Source of all laws then He is not confined to any conceivable space.

How did God perform miracles, then?

Which miracles are you referring to?

Aren't miracles defined as exception to natural physical law?

We are not born with full understanding of every known law. We don't know what we don't know. So, when God shows us something we don't know, we see a "miracle." When in reality it's just new to us, not to the Universe or God.

How do you square the inevitable nature of punishment with the scripture that says, "with God, all things are possible?"

Because God is a creator of laws.

The same goes for when Christians claim that God cannot violate His moral law and principles: then He's not exactly omnipotent, is He?

Since God is the originator of ALL laws, He is effectively considered Truth itself which cannot ever be false.

and let's just overlook for a minute where God routinely orders mortals to violate His own God-given laws, as only ONE example, where God orders Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a loyalty test in Genesis 22, thus ordering him to violate His Divine Command prohibiting bloodshed, handed down to ALL mankind after the Flood in Genesis 9.

This is only true if you believe the Bible is literal history. If it's not, then what are the deeds of God you use as a reference?

cofty

If you do not assign the proper honor to powers beyond your control you may be suddenly destroyed by them

"Love me or I will crush you".

Your god is so feeble.

latinthunder

"Love me or I will crush you". Your god is so feeble.

Respect and love are not the same thing, Cofty. If you don't respect electricity you have a much higher chance of getting electrocuted. Similarly, if you don't have a respect for God, you have a much higher chance of getting smitten. You reap what you sow. Fear of God is not a type of panic, it's a type of reverence.

cofty

You still have all your work ahead of you to provide evidence that there is such a thing as a god, before you try to threaten me with getting smitten by her/him/it.

You worship and adore a moral monster that is a figment of your imagination. That is not healthy.

adamah

Latinthunder said-

Respect and love are not the same thing, Cofty.

Obvious question then: do you LUV God?

(And not just a little, but "with your whole heart and mind"!)

Adam

latinthunder

You still have all your work ahead of you to provide evidence that there is such a thing as a god, before you try to threaten me with getting smitten by her/him/it.

If I threatened you, please advise security to haul me off.

You worship and adore a moral monster that is a figment of your imagination. That is not healthy.

I can see where you are coming from. I'm sorry for the bad things that happened to you in your life. Did you learn anything from them?

latinthunder

Obvious question: then do you LUV God?

Like my Father, yes.

adamah

LatinThunder said-

Since God is the originator of ALL laws, He is effectively considered Truth itself which cannot ever be false.

So it sounds like you'd agree, then: with God, "might makes right".

NOW, is that a MORAL stance to take?

EG were the NAZIs justify Poland with their Panzer divisions in a blitzkreig attack, simply because they possessed the power to do so? (And no, it's not a Godwin's fallacy, so don't bother accusing me of it, but instead look up Godwin's law to see where it legitimately applies as a valid-criticism).

Adam

cofty

I'm sorry for the bad things that happened to you in your life. Did you learn anything from them?

My conclusions about god have nothing to do with anything that happened to me.

Shit happens. Teleology is a fantasy.

You are advocating ethics by divine fiat and you are having to perform mental gymnastics.

Try assuming there is no god. Live with the idea for a while. You will discover the world all starts to make perfect sense.

How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

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