The liberal Muslim sympathizers still haven't convinced anyone that Islam is not a disease.
Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
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Gregor
Exactly so, AlphaMan. All the attempts to intimidate and shame in the name of some PC stance towards this barbarian death cult are lame.
It has gotten to the point that, literally, people don't know shit from shinola these days. How much more evil will be overlooked? How much more silence of the supposed 'good' muslims will be overlooked?
Bad Nukes on the Rise.
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LoveUniHateExams
lisaBObeesa - 'MY point is that Islam is a huge umbrella that covers many people with different beliefs and can't be treated as if it is all the same'
But I, along with most rational people, don't want Islam to be like this. I want Islam to recognise its place in 21st century Western society.
How do you feel about this?
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LoveUniHateExams
Just read an article about a 1,300 year old prophecy that's driving ISIS maniacs. Apparently, in the Hadith, a great horde flying 80 banners will fight the true believers at a place in northern Syria called Dabiq. This will bring about the 'malahim', the Islamic equivalent of the great trib.The in-house magazine of ISIS is called 'Dabiq'. Any thoughts?
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Frazzled UBM
LUHE - ISIS are fanatics and everyone posting here agreeds that they are despictable and need to be stopped - that is not the point of this debate and actually you have made Lisa's point by again attributing the behaviour of ISIS to Islam - as I pointed out in an earlier post - the major point of departure between mainstream Islam and Islamic fundamenatlism/Extremists/Revivalists is that the latter believe in literalism and activism, i.e. that you can do things to help bring about malahim (as you say their version of the Great Tribulation -- there are many parallels between the differences between these extremists and mainstream Islam and the Witnesses and mainstream Christianity). Mainstream Islam certainly does not believe this. LUHE - you are very naive and arrogant - you think you alone know how Islam needs to change -- 'most rational people, don't want Islam to be like this'- like what exactly? - like the way you have characterised it - you are going to tell 1.6 billion Muslims what they should believe because you know best - you are going to change what is in the Quran? As I have said before - you can't change the religion but you can work to strengthen the hand of the moderate rational educated Muslim leadership and seek ways to undermine the appeal of the Fanatics. What is happening on this thread is the reverse -- in the same way you can take Muslim voices off the internet to show them being extreme, the Extremists could, if they wanted, make use of a lot of what is on this thread to show Western hatred of Islam when trying to recruit fanatics from amongst young Muslims in the West.
At the end of the day the point I have made repeatedly is that not only is it incorrect to tar Islam with the crimes of the Fanatics but in attacking Islam in this way you are helping the Fanatics who claim that the West is at war with Islam. So they are probably loving this public debate because they can sit back and say to the sensible rational voices in the Muslim world - see we told you, the West is our enemy that want to destroy Islam, why shouldn't we attack and kill Westerners?
As for the claims by other posters that there is some sort of PC conspiracy or intimidation to try to deny the self-evident truth that Islam is inherently violent and is to blame for Extremism all I can say is that your argument is entirely based on the practice of generalising from the particular by finding some muslim or group of muslims who makes extreme statements and then saying that's what all muslims, including moderate Muslims, believe. But you don't like this criticsim of your approach because it undermines your moral outrage against Islam and the Muslim World.
But all I have to say will be labelled as PC and discounted and ignored and so I am going to try very hard to stay out of this banal debate because I can see I am wasting my time. Fraz
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LoveUniHateExams
@Frazzled - no, you're not wasting your time. Everyone's voice is important in this debate, including yours. Forgive me if I sound arrogant but I'm just going by what I've read.
If mainstream Islam rejects this notion of malahim, then good.
Does Islam truly acknowledge its place in 21st century, Western society? For instance, some Islamic guest speakers insist on gender division when speaking at universities. What say you?
I'm sorry to break the news to you, but the West and radical Islam are indeed at war. Whose side are you on?
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Frazzled UBM
LUHE: "...but the West and radical Islam are indeed at war. Whose side are you on?" - I said you are not listening and you proved it - look at the very first line of my previous post.
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LoveUniHateExams
@Frazzled - I want you to stick your head above the parapet, as it were, and explicitly state whose side you're on.
I notice you've chosen to ignore this: 'Does Islam truly acknowledge its place in 21st century, Western society? For instance, some Islamic guest speakers insist on gender division when speaking at universities. What say you?'.
Please respond.
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jgnat
There are sides? We are all brothers. Down with fanatics and black and white thinking.
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LoveUniHateExams
'There are sides? We are all brothers.' - how very nice and, above all, fair of you.
This sounds like JW-speak to me. Perhaps you might fit in better at your local Kingdom Hall?