Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease (page 106)

AlphaMan

That's an association error on your part.

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There is no associate error on Simon's part. Comparing Islam to JW-ism is very appropriate.

Islam has a hate filled holy book and JW-ism has the hate filled writings of the Watchtower.

Islam has belief fanatics and JW-ism has belief fanatics.

Fanatical Islam is centered in the Middle East and fanatical JW-ism in Brooklyn, NY.

Islam is a worldwide religion and JW-ism is a worldwide religion.

The beliefs of Islam go out from the Mid East and the beliefs of JW-ism go out from Brooklyn.

Islam has moderate believers and JW-ism has moderate believers.

Moderate Muslim practice Islam, but just not to the extent of the fanatics, and just the same with JW-ism.

Moderate Muslims who don't believe in the literal words of the Koran are not really Muslims in the eyes of the fanatical leadership, and the same in JW-ism.

Moderate Muslims still accept some beliefs, practices & leadership of the fanatics, and the same with JW-ism.

Do away with the Muslim fanatics & leadership and would the Moderates abandon Islam or become more fanatical themselves, and the same with JW-ism.

LUHE - did you read back over the my posts to find the answer to your question? - no you wrongly accused me of not answering so now I am forced to repeat myself, again, yes orthodox Islam is not the most enlightened religion ( in most respects social attitudes are 50 yedars or more behind the West -- we should be thankful for the privilege of living in generally tolerant and enlightened societies -- though I would argue that attitudes to guns in the US are far from enlightened but let's not go there) but like any large group of people, there are a large number of muslims who hold progressive, modern, tolerant and liberal views but they are drowned out by the extreme voices. The fatalism of orthodox Islam is a dead weight on progress in the Muslim world. Much of the Muslim world remains underdeveloped (and while this may be in part due to Islamic fatalism there are lots of other causes as well) but education and globalisation (in some respects though Islamic Extremism is a backlash against globalisation) will help to address that. Can you follow the argument please? I talk about the problems of the West appearing to be waging a Wwr on Ialam and you talk about a War on Radical Islam and then suggest that I most demonstrate that I am not on the side of radical Islam even though I have consistently posted about the wrongs of Islamic fanaticism.

Simon - you claim that no one on this thread has demonstrated that moderate Muslims do not support extreme passages in the Quran. I posted an extract from the Islamic Bulletin explaining why Jihad is not what it is claimed to be. I posted an article talking about the diversity of interpretations of the Quran and the variety of understandings of what it is to be a Muslim. Water off a duck's back. Someone else posted photos of muslims campaigning against IS and violence. No credit. I can tell you as a fact that respect for the sanctity of human life, any human life, is a fundamental principle of Islam but you are unlikely to accept that either. You have decided that Islam is 'bad' and nothing will deflect you from that.

Billyblobber

The fact that you've separated JWs and Christian as moderate and extremists positions of the same religion

No I did not. I did not ascribe a single value judgment. Quote a singular value judgment in those last two posts, or else admit your error.

I, quite simply, posted the difference between a religion and a denomination, which you don't understand.

Jehovah's Witness refers to a denomination. Muslim does not refer to a denomination. They are two HUGELY different concepts in this context, and the difference in concepts are what people have been trying to explain for tens of pages.

It's not just you - almost every person who has posted about "liberals" also has that issue. It's like the "either/or" viewpoint stereotypes Muslims as a whole so much that they see them as being as varied as a denomination as opposed to an entire religion. Which is a huge reason as to why you don't look at things in life through black and white lenses.

LoveUniHateExams

@Billyblobber - the problem with your position, as far as I can tell, is that JWs and 'Christians' separate themselves and neither group recognises the other.

Moderate muslims and extremist muslims, in contrast, worship at the same mosques and read the same literature.

Surely you accept this.

AlphaMan

Jehovah's Witness refers to a denomination. Muslim does not refer to a denomination.

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LOL.....no JW would ever refer to the religion as a "denomination". It's the "true religion".

Muslims have there own "sects", but they all consider Islam the "true religion".

Frazzled UBM

From emuslim

Islam Condemns Violence

"Not only did the terrorists hijack planes and destroy life, but they also hijacked the peaceful religion of Islam and split the brother and sisterhood of mankind."
(Yusuf Islam)

The sanctity of Human Life

Al- Quran 6:151

Islam considers all life forms as sacred. However, the sanctity of human life is accorded a special place. The first and the foremost basic right of a human being is the right to live. The Glorious Quran says:

Al- Quran 5:32

Such is the value of a single human life, that the Quran equates the taking of even one human life unjustly, with killing all of humanity. Thus, the Quran prohibits homicide in clear terms. The taking of a criminal’s life by the state in order to administer justice is required to uphold the rule of law, and the peace and security of the society. Only a proper and competent court can decide whether an individual has forfeited his right to life by disregarding the right to life and peace of other human beings.
Islam enjoins upon all Muslims to work actively to maintain the balance in which God created everything. Terrorizing the civilian population can never be termed as jihad and can never be reconciled with the teachings of Islam.

Al- Quran 5:2

Frazzled UBM

LUHE: "Moderate muslims and extremist muslims, in contrast, worship at the same mosques and read the same literature." Again your ignorance comes shining through. Extremist literature is very different from that of mainstream Islam. Like the WBTS - the Extremists selectively quote and interpret those parts of the Quran that support their extreme views.

LoveUniHateExams

@Frazzled - I'm not denying that most muslims are tolerant and progressive. I wanted you to explicitly state whether you were on the West's side or radical Islam's side, you just have to write one sentence - you still haven't done this.

@Billyblobber - 'JWs refers to a denomination' - that's just your opinion; 7 million people would disagree with you.

LoveUniHateExams

@Frazzled - but you admit that both moderate and extremist muslims worship at the same mosques?

Frazzled UBM

LUHE - "I wanted you to explicitly state whether you were on the West's side or radical Islam's side, you just have to write one sentence - you still haven't done this." This statement is ourtright insulting. Now you are really beginning to piss me off. Nothing I have said could be construed in any way as support for radical Islam - quite the contrary. I have consistently condemend them. Who the f*ck do you think your are! These are McCarthyist tactics - but you are probably too ignorant to know what I am talking about.

LUHE - your debating tactics are pathetic - if I don't respond to every banal point you make you treat that as an admission. I know that in Egypt certain mosques were notorious as extermist mosques and others were establishment mosques that the extremists would shun as 'corrupt'.

Over and out

Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

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