Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

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  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    Geeeeeezus. The bottom line is that any f*cking religion that is not seperated from the state goes off the rails. It has been so where ever religion has crept in to the government. Uganda is currently killing homosexuals, written in to law. At the urging of western (American) religious nutjobs.

    Salem Mass. Great Britain 1500s........ Anti abortin zealots today. American Civil Rights era, the KKK. Anyone who thinks that Sarah Palin and her ilk would not sink to disgusting violence if given the chance in the name of Gawd, is fooling themselves.

    This ignorant, knee jerk condemnation of all muslims is only going to make it worse. Make them dig in. Think about how the JW's LOVED the idea of persecution. It only strengthened their "faith" (martyr complex).

    Muslims have been here since the founding fathers, why is it only in the last 30? years that it has become such an issue?

  • AlphaMan
    AlphaMan

    Mosques and the Fallacy of the "Moderate Muslim"

    The majority of Germans during World War II were not active members of the Nazi party, were not waging war, and were not involved in the holocaust. The leaders, though, were active members of the Nazi party, were waging war, and were involved in the holocaust.

    The majority of Russians and eastern Europeans under the rule of the U.S.S.R. were not trying to spread Communism throughout the world, and were not threatening and waging war and revolution, but were going about their daily lives trying to survive. The leaders, though, were doing everything they could to spread Communism throughout the world, and were threatening and waging war and revolution.

    Throughout history, since 610 A.D., the leaders of Islam have been waging Universal Jihad around the world for the purpose of Islamic totalitarian domination of the world. It has never mattered what percentage of the Muslim population was "peaceful" or "moderate." Peace and moderation are not relevant to the totalitarian mandates of Islam's political documents, and Islam's leaders always follow the totalitarian mandates of Universal Jihad contained in them.

    There are post-Nazi democracies. There are post-Communist democracies. There are no post-Islamic democracies. Literal Islam, as contained in its political documents, is the consummate totalitarianism. Neither Nazism or Communism had a metaphysical factor, as does Islam. Islam uses its metaphysics as a wedge to drive in its totalitarian political doctrines.

    Once Islam has established itself sufficiently in any nation, it seeks to overthrow any existing regime or constitution or law, and replace it with Islamic theocracy. Even the most "moderate" Muslim is bound to obey Islamic law, and so is bound to fight if ordered to fight:

    "When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." -Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:79:Narrated Ibn 'Abbas

    All Islamic mosques have Islamic leaders (rulers) who can call Muslims for fighting, and as such are satellite headquarters for spreading Literal Islam's political doctrine of world domination and totalitarianism-no matter how many "moderate Muslims" they serve.

    Mosques and the Worldwide Islamic State

    Islam is a de facto political state wherever it exists anywhere in the world. The Koran is its constitution. The Kabah is its seat of power, still in the control of the regime that occupied it in 630 A.D. All Muslims in the world, regardless of nationality, are required to travel to the Kabah at least once in their lifetime and pay homage to it.

    The fact that nations and international political institutions in the world do not recognize Islam as a de jure state is irrelevant. Mohammed himself declared it as a state, and Islam's own political documents declare it to be a state, and, ipso facto, it always is a state-within-a-state, governed by the Koran and Sharia law internally, anywhere that it has not yet gained full power and control.

    "The Believers are but a single brotherhood." -Koran 49:10

    "A Muslim has no nationality except his belief." -Syed Qutb

    "Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and program." - Syed Abul A'ala Maududi

    Just as our Constitution of the United States binds and identifies us as a single political and legal union of non-contiguous states, territories, political groups, and people, so the Koran binds and identifies all Islamic nations and all Muslims as a single political and legal union of non-contiguous nations, territories, political groups and people, regardless of geographic boundaries, whose seat of power is the occupied Kabah. All Islamic Imams, in every mosque everywhere in the world, are bound to the Koran as supreme law.

    As we have seen, Islamic law gives Islamic Imams the power to order Muslims to fighting. The German Max Weber, who had considerable influence on international law and politics, defined "state" as that entity that has a "monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory."

    Islam declares that the Koran and Sharia law are divine, and, as such, are the only "legitimate" law in the world. In that way, Islam "self-legitimizes" its right to use physical force anywhere in the world, and the right of every Imam in every mosque in the world to call for physical force and violence at any time. This makes every Imam in every mosque a military leader.

    Islam is a state by every definition and theory, and is a state hostile to and at war with the United States of America and its Constitution.

    Mosques and Treason and Sedition Against the U.S.

    Islam's political documents and law call for the overthrow of our Constitution and our man-made laws, and therefore for the overthrow of our government, which by definition constitutes sedition and treason. The Islamic documents call for the overthrow of our government-a protector of religious freedom and human rights-through violence:

    "I was ordered to fight all men until they say 'there is no god but Allah.'" -Mohammed's farewell address, 632

    "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'" -Hadith Sahih Bukhari 4:52:196 Narrated Abu Huraira

    "He who fights so that Allah's Word (Islam) should be superior, then he fights in Allah's cause." -Hadith Sahih Bukhari 1:3:125 Narrated Abu Musa

    "I asked the Prophet [Mohammed], 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and to fight for His Cause.'" -Hadith Sahih Bukhari 3:46:694 Narrated Abu Dhar

    "And fight them till there is no more affliction (i.e. no more worshiping of others along with Allah)". -Hadith Sahih Bukhari 6:60:40 Narrated Nafi'

    "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers." -Koran 3.151

    "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." -Koran 8:12

    "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know." -Koran 8:60

    The Koran, as the constitution of Islam and Muslims, is diametrically opposite to the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights. According to Islam and Muslims, the Koran is divine law, uncorrupted and incorruptible, whereas the United States Constitution is man-made and is not infallible, and therefore is corrupt. The U.S. Constitution is the antithesis of the Koran; therefore Muslims have no obligation to obey it.

    A mosque in the United States is a command and control center of a foreign political and military state that seeks the overthrow of our government, and an Imam in a mosque is a political and military representative of a foreign state that calls for the overthrow of the United States.

    The laws of the United States provide specific criminal penalties for sedition and treason. These laws are not only applicable to those advocating and calling for the overthrow of our Constitution and our government; they are applicable to anyone who gives "aid or comfort" to such declared enemies of the United States, or who "organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons" so engaged. The terms "organizes" and "organize" extend to "the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons."

    Mosques are just such units.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I don't think you understood my point band on the run if you are shocked by my opinion of 'all Muslims'. That seems to be far too broad a term and needs to be more specific as to which groups are being referred to.

    Yes, there are terrorist groups for all kinds of things but one group has become the clear leader of the genre.

  • AlphaMan
    AlphaMan

    Not "all Muslims", but the ideology of Islam which "all Muslims" submit to.

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    You are supposed to link a source when you copy anothers work AlphaMan. http://www.rightsidenews.com/

    From an article in 2010 when the author Vijay Kumar was running for congress

    Dear Friends,

    I am writing to urgently ask for your help in my campaign to be elected to Congress from Tennessee's 5th District. These are the things that I feel are vitally important to all of us as Americans, and that no other candidate is doing anything about:

    • I am the only candidate warning of the threat of Universal Jihad and proposing REAL solutions.

    • I am the only candidate who says there is no such thing as an Israel-Palestine conflict, an India-Pakistan conflict, or a Russia-Chechnya conflict: there is only Universal Jihad behind it all.

    • I am the only candidate who proposes a United Front of Victims of Jihad made up of nations all around the world who have been subjected to it.

    • I am the only candidate who says that the Taliban and al-Queda are only expendable foot-soldiers of Universal Jihad, and that fighting against them does not defeat the real enemies.

    • I am the only candidate who names the real enemies–the Axis of Jihad, which is Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Pakistan–and says that they must be demilitarized, secularized, and democratized for there ever to be peace in the world.

    • I am the only candidate who says the war with Islamic regimes is an ideological war, and that if we approach it as such, it can be won within five years, for no more than one billion dollars, and without the loss of further American lives.

    • I am the only candidate calling for a complete halt to immigration from all countries where Sharia law is the law of the land, including Afghanistan, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Palestinian National Authority, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen.

    • I am the only candidate calling for outright abolishment of the federal income tax and the IRS, replacing it with the Fair Tax, which will revitalize the economy and create jobs.

    http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=483:vijay-kumar-americas-wilders-on-anti-jihad-anti-sharia-platform-for-congress&catid=89:other-authors&Itemid=58

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    http://joeforamerica.com/

    No way, you are posting stuff from Joe the Plumber????

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I will learn to behead them if specific people come for me. Frankly, I don't know much about them. I never hurt them. My human rights count, too. Ultimately, though, what do cycles of violence accomplish? We owe much to Arabic civilization when Europe was fundamentalist. I will fight their anti women and anti education to the end. Yet I know that Moslems established famous libraries. I am not Richard the Lion Hearted. Band never sacked Constantinople, a Christian city, or killed Moslems in the Middle East.

    If my enemy wants me to hate, I want to learn other ways of coping. Becoming my enemy is not a practical solution. Besides, humans have been killing each other since the beginning it seems.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I don't think establishing a library hundreds (thousands?) of years ago makes up for anything.

    This need of people to reach back into the distant past to excuse current ideology is puzzling.

    What does it matter what they were, just what they are now?

    The fact that members of a religion need to have the label 'moderate' tacked on in an attempt to separate them shows that there is a problem with that religion.

    Again ... why would anyone who claims they are moderate want be a part of it? Are they so indoctrinated that they don't know what moderate means anymore?

    The evidence from polls and their own words is that they are.

  • Simon
    Simon

    The debate is so twisted that you hear people argue "no, only 10% believe that group* should be killed" (* apostate, nonbelievers, cartoonists)

    Think about it.

    A sizeable minority of a very large population is evidence that there is something rotten in that population.

    Normal society would never tolerate so many people holding such extreme views in any other circumstance.

    Imagine 10% of white people believing black people should be killed?

    Or 10% of democrats believing Republicans should be executed ...

    Now tell me that the other 90% are really very moderate and I'll show you a deluded fool.

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    'If my enemy wants me to hate, I want to learn other ways of coping'

    Point taken, we shouldn't become consumed by hate or fear neither should we sink to the extremists' (ISIS, Jabhat al-Nusra, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab, Taliban, etc) level.

    However, there must be no messing around with these people. The only possible solution is for multiple nations to clinically and efficiently 'wipe them out'.

    'humans have been killing each other since the beginning' - that's reality, I'm afraid.

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