Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

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  barry

  ORDINARY AUSTRLIANS TAKE ON SKEIK AT LECTURE

  A hardline Islamic leader from a group advocating an Islamic stte caliphate says Muslims are ready to sacrifice everything for the concept.

  'We believe this world deserves a new world order ' Ismail Al Wahwah declared at an event headed by the contraversial Hizb ut-Tahrir organisation.

  More than 200 people attended the lecture at Lakemba in Sydneys west on Friday night where Mr Al-wahwah denounced western involvement in Irak and Syria.

  The crowd was engaged and calm except for a moment of slight tension when an audience member asked the sheik about the penalty under sharia law for a muslim leaving the Islamic faith.

  A 70 year old women also hit out at Mr Al wahwah for criticising Australian values and told him to stop waving his finger around

  Prime minister Tony Abbott said earlier this week that Hizb ut tahrir was a depplorable organisation that had an idealogy that justified terrorism.

  Their was also a catholic priest that attendedd and he said things were getting out of hand
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  lisaBObeesa

  lisa fails - again- to see that culture causes differences in behaviour

  Actually, that was my entire point.

  lisa - is stoning evil?

  as evil as evil can be. yes yes yes.

  But most Muslims around the world do not stone people to death. so, ya know. There ya go.
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  AlphaMan

  Prime minister Tony Abbott said earlier this week that Hizb ut tahrir was a depplorable organisation that had an idealogy that justified terrorism.

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  Deport any Muslim accused of terroristic involvement or promotion. In the article below the Muslims actually protested against the Police raids, when it was the raids that uncovered the terroristic murder plot.

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  http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/09/is-new-zealand-really-safe-from-terrorism/

  A plot to behead a random member of the public in Sydney has been thwarted by the biggest anti-terror police raids Australia has seen, with one man charged over the plan to “horrify” the community.

  Omarjan Azari, 22, who was remanded in custody at Central Local Court, allegedly conspired with Mohammad Baryalei, the most senior Australian member of Isis (Islamic State) to commit the terror act.

  Prosecutor Michael Allnutt told the court that Azari was accused of plans designed to “shock” and “horrify” the community.

  The plan involved the “random selection of persons to rather gruesomely execute”, he said.

  Last night a heavy police presence was expected at a snap protest in Sydney’s west against the raids. The protest, promoted under a banner featuring the hardline organisation Hizb Ut-Tahrir, called on the Muslim community to “stand as one” against “government aggression” at Lakemba.

  Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who was briefed before raids on Wednesday night, indicated intelligence showed public beheadings were urged by leaders of Syria-based Isis.
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  3rdgen

  This is the first long debate I have participated in and closely followed. Question: Has any debator publicly changed his/her mind due to an oponant's convincing argument? Just curious. I used to think these long arguments were a waste of time but I can see now, that for the readers who are open minded much can be learned.
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  AlphaMan

  Question: Has any debator publicly changed his/her mind due to an oponant's convincing argument?

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  Nope....not me. I still think Islam is a disease. Liken it to cancer. When a person has malignant cancer cells, you don't ignore the benign cells because they are not malignant. Now you have to deal with the whole cancer in order to get healthy. The sooner mankind does away with vile religions that promote hate & killing, then the sooner mankind will make itself better.

  Islam is the only religion in the world on a scale of evil that can be likened to Nazism.
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  Simon

  Most debates don't attempt to convince the opponents but simply try to win over the audience who can decide for themselves who made the most complelling and factually correct argument.

  Sometimes it's good just to make people think and raise awareness of issues that they maybe weren't fully cognizant of before.
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  Simon

  Most muslims around the world may not stone people to death themselves but they follow and support an ideology that clearly advocates it.

  I would suggest that the people who do the stoning can only do it because of the tacit support and lack of outcry by those who should be standing up.

  I guess evil happens when moderates are too busy proclaiming their moderateness to bother to object to it.
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  lisaBObeesa

  Most muslims around the world may not stone people to death themselves but they follow and support an ideology that clearly advocates it.

  Says YOU.

  On the other hand, the majority of actual Muslims in the world say their ideology does not advocate stoning people to death.
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  barry

  The opinions of moderate Islam by Frazzled gives me some comfort and there is nothing more we would like that the muslims become civilised. The problem being that comfort is missplaced the stats just don't add up and personal experiances with muslims don't gel. I know a german guy that became muslim but after 3 years he told me he was just a cultural muslim. I asked him what the muslim people said about that. He replied to my suprise he would never tell them that and said they would kill him. this is in canberra Australia
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  Simon

  Says YOU.

  No, says them. You're the one deciding what you think they believe. I'm the one listening to what they say they believe.

  I asked him what the muslim people said about that. He replied to my suprise he would never tell them that and said they would kill him. this is in canberra Australia.

  I think this is the reality a truly moderate muslim is someone trapped in a very very dangerous cult.

  I stand by my original assertion that there are muslims and there are pretend muslims who don't really believe it (whether they realise it themselves or not) - there are no moderate muslims because you cannot be a moderate believer of something that is extreme at it's core.