@Simon
Good point - this further shows that a serious attempt at Islamic reformation must begin NOW.
Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
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Frazzled UBM
I was previously unaware of this allegation about Aisha's age at the time of marriage and consummation. The website where this comes from belongs to a Christian evangelical trying to discredit Islam. This does not mean that what he says is wrong - it just means that it warrants scrutiny.
There are certainly others, muslims, who also have vested interests and so are similarly unreliable, who claim she was quite a bit older. They contest those three sources you quote cofty on the basis that they all derive from the same single source.
Aisha's role after Mohamed's death was a source of dispute between the Shia and Sunni - Ali, the Shia proclaimed successor, was the son of another of Mohamed's wives. Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr, who was the immediate successor of Mohamed and is not recognised by Shia as an Imam. Her claim to be Mohamed's favoured wife was partly based on her virginity when she married him. So Sunni chroniclers may have had an interest in showing she was young when she married to dispel any dispute about her virginity.
Like the Bible, a lot of this stuff was written quite a while after the events and for political purposes and so doesn't necessarily qualify as contemporaneous evidence.
Wikipedia certainly reports Aisha's age as 9 or 10 at the time of consummation of the marriage so that is clearly accepted wisdom and it seems that child marriage was an accepted practice in that society at that time so it is certainly possible.
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LoveUniHateExams
@Frazzled
Fair point, but as I said previously Aisha's age doesn't matter. The problem of child brides and arranged marriages in the 21st century still needs to be eradicated.
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AlphaMan
I was previously unaware of this allegation about Aisha's age at the time of marriage and consummation. The website where this comes from belongs to a Christian evangelical trying to discredit Islam. This does not mean that what he says is wrong - it just means that it warrants scrutiny.
There are certainly others, muslims, who also have vested interests and so are similarly unreliable, who claim she was quite a bit older. They contest those three sources you quote cofty on the basis that they all derive from the same single source.
Aisha's role after Mohamed's death was a source of dispute between the Shia and Sunni - Ali, the Shia proclaimed successor, was the son of another of Mohamed's wives. Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr, who was the immediate successor of Mohamed and is not recognised by Shia as an Imam. Her claim to be Mohamed's favoured wife was partly based on her virginity when she married him. So Sunni chroniclers may have had an interest in showing she was young when she married to dispel any dispute about her virginity.
Like the Bible, a lot of this stuff was written quite a while after the events and for political purposes and so doesn't necessarily qualify as contemporaneous evidence.
Wikipedia certainly reports Aisha's age as 9 or 10 at the time of consummation of the marriage so that is clearly accepted wisdom and it seems that child marriage was an accepted practice in that society at that time so it is certainly possible.
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Frazzled.......you certainly danced around the allegation that the Islam Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile in your reply above. Let me make it easier for you. Do you think Mohammad was a pedophile? Yes or No.
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Wikipedia certainly reports Aisha's age as 9 or 10 at the time of consummation of the marriage so that is clearly accepted wisdom and it seems that child marriage was an accepted practice in that society at that time so it is certainly possible.
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Covering up pedophilia was an accepted practice in the Jehovah Witness society, but that doesn't make it right.
There is absolutely no way you disgusting Islam defenders can spin a late 50's man having sex with a child!
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cofty
Even by ancient standards having sex with a pre-pubescent child was taboo. There is no evidence he was obsessed with child sex in general but definitely with this one child that he fixated on.
Mo was a man of his times in that he viewed women as possessions. Islam today reflects his attitude.
The quran says a husband should strike an arrogant wife.
Can anybody find the verse that cancels this divine directive?
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Theredeemer
I think the entire point is ITS ALL BULLSH%T and its bad for ya! Islam, just like every other religion, is based on lies and exaggerations. Is Islam dangerous? Yes. Are muslims bad people? Not all of them.
The problem is, in the middle east religion and government are the same thing. Laws are based and intertwined with religion. Thats why there is so much brutality. It was the same in Europe with Christianity when church and state were governed together.
Where do we see "good" Muslims (those that are not extreme) as the majority? In countries where religion and state are seperated, where Islam is not the predominate and ruling religion. If the US or Britain had an Islamic revolution and they became the ruling state, this would all change and those "good" Muslims would quickly change or face death. Those muslims that would not agree with religious law with dealing with Infidels,women or other unworthy people would quickly be deemed apostates and be put to death. Middle Eastern countries are stuck in the Crusades era mentality.
So, to sum it up again. Muslims in the US have to be "good" ones because they have to be. Muslims in Middle Eastern countries do not. If any religion, Islam, Catholicism, JW or whatever was in charge of the entire government or had undue fanatical influence over it this would spell doom for all other people.
I believe Islam is a very dangerous religion but as dangerous as every other one. Are we in danger from the Muslims in the US? Only the radical ones, just like we are in danger from crazy, radical christians (e.g. KKK is a bunch of radical christians). We had two beheadings in the US. Now, I believe one is enough anywhere but how many radical christians have gone and killed in the name of Jesus in the US? If all these radical Christians had their own country can you imagine the death and brutality?
So lets review: ITS ALL BULLSH&T and its bad for ya!
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talesin
Theredeemer said:
Now, I believe one is enough anywhere but how many radical christians have gone and killed in the name of Jesus in the US?
I dunno, would have to check the number of abortion doctors murdered and clinics bombed (to give one example).
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Theredeemer
Exactly Tal. Its like slavery. Slavery was mostly upheld by the Bible belt south. I have a feeling it would still be around if not for the civil war. Even then, the civil rights movement was only just about 40 years ago. So the heading should change to Religion is a disease that way you can offend the ultra liberals and conservatives alike!
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talesin
True dat! It is a snare and a racket, too. :)
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Theredeemer
As long as Religion is the held as a basis for what is moral there will be radicals bent on mass killing, death, opression, hate and bigotry.
Islam just happens to be one of the last religions that has the COMPLETE power over governments. If that was taken away then the radicalism would tone down substantially.
If you want to see what a government run by radical Christianity looks like Google: Salem witch trials.