Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult

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  myelaine

  Confused...

  I don't advocate for criminalizing islam. I advocate for western muslims to make a stand for peace and tolerance and stop clinging to (and thereby defending) the islamic war creed contained in the koran.

  I'm not confusing ISIS with a country(?) ISIS recently reinstituted the califate in iraq. Do you know what that means? Are you aware of the implications of other muslim nations attempting to undermine that implied authority?

  "The Islamic State is trying to reinforce its battlefield achievements in Syria and Iraq by creating a new Sunni Muslim religious entity that threatens to overturn the prevailing regional political order rooted in the Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916) which set the borders and carved up the Middle East into European spheres of influence. The rule of the caliphate is applied to the territory under its control. This rule, however, does not accept the existing borders or the division of the Muslims into different states on a national basis. In the view of the Islamic State, the primal sin that led to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which was a continuation of the rule of the caliphate, lies in nationalism and in the adoption of Western ideologies, such as democracy, that are foreign to Islam. Hence, the jihad is aimed at overturning the existing order and enabling the expansion of the boundaries of the caliphate to encompass all territory where Muslims live.

  The main objective of the Islamic State is to entrench its rule (imposing its authority and defeating local militias such as that of the Kurds) and repel the counterattack by the armies of Iraq and Syria, which are fully backed by Iran and Russia.

  The Islamic State’s military capability to expand the territories under its rule is limited. Therefore, its leaders are trying to attain force multipliers by directly appealing to Muslims all over the world to support the caliphate and calling on the Muslim population to rebel against existing governments and thereby accelerate the worldwide Islamic revolution.The timing of the declaration at the beginning of the month of Ramadan is of supreme importance in this context. The organization Hizb ut-Tahrir (which also has branches in the West) has already hastened to welcome the declaration of the caliphate. 1 Fear of the Islamic State is evident in Saudi Arabia (the crown jewel in the Islamic State’s vision of conquest), in Jordan (the weak link), and in other countries (Lebanon has learned of the appointment of the leader of the Islamic State). 2 The danger of regional instability is greater than ever."

  - See more at: http://jcpa.org/article/initial-implications-declaration-islamic-caliphate-iraq-syria/#sthash.ZcXM8yLY.dpuf
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  confusedandalone

  "ISIS is pure Islam."

  Pure Judaism is just as bad, there just arent as many adherents.

  So most Jews today are not pure Jews then?

  Judaism and Christianity have a track record for doing all the same things you keep saying.

  So since all opther Muslims who are not a part of ISIS are ok with you, or do you just want to round them all up just in case.

  Again I ask you to "put yourself in the frame of mind you are out on main street and you walk up to a Muslim guy sipping coffee while playing with his son and then you proceed to explain to him why anyone adhering to his belief system should be made a criminal."

  Can you see yourself doing this without at some point thinking WOW I sound like a bigot and maybe I should rethink this.

  Not calling you a bigot... just asking you to perform this exercise
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  Qcmbr

  No stop harping on about something I havent said. I wouldnt walk up to someone on the street and provoke them any more than you would , face to face, say some of the personal attacks you have made as a keyboard warrior.
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  LoveUniHateExams

  @confusedandalone 'you can not force change. By trying to force change you create more terrorists' - the problem is that terrorists spring up regardless of whether change is being forced or not. If the gently gently approach isn't working then change must be forced.

  E.g. for British muslims: all imams and legal muslim groups should sign documents containing the following statements or similar -

  We will not push for Shariah law in this country.

  We recognise that Islam is and always will be a minority religion in this country.

  We are grateful for our religious freedom this country guarantees us but also recognise that we are under British law.

  We will fully cooperate with the authorities in fighting terrorism - failure to inform the authorities is a crime.

  People are allowed to disagree over religious and political beliefs, etc.

  If people won't accept this then they're free to leave the country.
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  myelaine

  Confused...

  you said, " Do we really need to touch on the violence in the bible?"...

  now you're grasping at straws. the violence in the bible isn't written in the headlines of the daily newspapers the violence in the koran is.
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  confusedandalone

  "I don't advocate for criminalizing islam. I advocate for western muslims to make a stand for peace and tolerance and stop clinging to (and thereby defending) the islamic war creed contained in the koran."

  Maybe you missed alot of the beginning of this thread but many people did just that. They referred to Muslims and aadherents of Islam as being illiterate, still stuck in the stone age etc... etc... and that they should be deported or it should be a crime to be one. Later there was a back peddling but then it comes up again. Then the idea that there is no such thing as a moderate muslim.

  Also I have seen so much info of muslims in the middle ast as well as in the west condemning what ISIS is doing and trying to take a stand for peace and tolerance many muslim countries have shed aspects of the hardline groups for years now as stated in the examples of countries mentioned earlier.

  "ISIS recently reinstituted the califate in iraq. Do you know what that means? Are you aware of the implications of other muslim nations attempting to undermine that implied authority?"

  Again the califite theat they have "reinstated" is viewed by LITERALLY EVERYONE EXCEPT ISIS MEMBERS AS A COMPLETE JOKE. I am begging you please look at how a caliph is elected. Please I am begging you to do thisbecause you will realize that your fear of the ISIS Caliph is not something to be concerned about. There is no Muslim antion who sees it as legitimate. It is actual a very democratic process believe it or not. What they have done is the equivalent of your local church pastor declaring himself the pope and every christian in the US going along with it. It is literally that much of a joke to Muslims in the middle east and abroad. There is far too much fear mongering in the news about this.

  Muslims are not afraid of democracy, look at the number of Democratic Muslim nations there are.

  Again CRUSH ISIS but you can not criminalize all Muslims in the US because of it
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  new hope and happiness

  I dont feel qualified to comment on this thread. But it has opened my eyes...very interesting.
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  confusedandalone

  "

  E.g. for British muslims: all imams and legal muslim groups should sign documents containing the following statements or similar -

  We will not push for Shariah law in this country.

  We recognise that Islam is and always will be a minority religion in this country.

  We are grateful for our religious freedom this country guarantees us but also recognise that we are under British law.

  We will fully cooperate with the authorities in fighting terrorism - failure to inform the authorities is a crime.

  People are allowed to disagree over religious and political beliefs, etc.

  If people won't accept this then they're free to leave the country."

  Would you be open to all of those statements being applied to every single religion in UK?
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  confusedandalone

  QCMBR - So you think your staements would provoke someone? WHy.

  Please believe that anything I have said in this thread I would say to you and I have said to other people face to face.

  I think ther eis some misinformation here however. Can you just answer the following with a Yes or No:

  1. Islam is a disease?

  2. Muslims are a disease?

  3. Should Muslims by default be looked at as crimals?

  4. Can Islam change with the times?

  5. Muslims are mentally unbalanced?

  6. Do you think of terrorist whacko when you hear the word islamic?

  7. Are you surprised that muslims have enough education to read mosts of the posts on here?

  8. Would you tell a moderate Muslim they are not a real Muslim

  9. Do you support making it illegal for hate groups of any sort to exist
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  myelaine

  Ummm...a caliphate is not democratically elected. It is essentially the pinnacle of totalitarianism. it isn't a joke to muslims, it's the ideal solution. I'm inclined to take islam with all their religious "intrigue" seriously without considering your plea.