Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult

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  Laika

  Luhe - I would bet good money that I have done more towards eliminating fgm in the last month then you have in your entire life.

  Are you going to post in any other threads btw? It would be nice to find out some more about you.
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  confusedandalone

  Simon you are fortunate that you are the owner of this site. If you were an ordinary poster here you would know exactly what people think of you and your despotic hypocritical ways.

  Based on what I have been told by people on and off this board it appears I am the exact opposite of what you describe. As a matter of fact that description fits you far more than anyone else. Based on your opening post you lump all muslims into a small box then berate them by implying that they can't read. Who really seems like the out of control bigot?

  More importantly you can say all of this stuff on your message board where you think you are in control but you are a coward and would never say these things to the face of a Muslim you met on the street. You are a bigot and a coward who just happens to be the owner of a website that is a support system for people at a time when they need a place to go. That means you can say and do what you want and no one wants to call you on it or say how they really feel about you. You knew this already I am sure
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  Mikado

  sadly confused and alone is correct.

  what I have read here over the last few days has saddened and shocked me.

  i had expected that this sort if site would have been better than this, obviously I am wrong.
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  Pacopoolio

  Confused and alone: I don't think you really know who you are. You come across as bitter, angry and resentful and an ugly personality who seems to care nothing for others outside of your own group. You also don't seem to be able to follow simple logical arguments or else deliberately misquote and mischaracterise what others have said in the mistaken belief it will convince the casual reader that you have a point or some sort of argument.

  As someone who has read this thread from the beginning from the outside, this is not the case at all.

  This thread had many examples of bigotry and outright creepy, hateful, "get rid of all of them" speech, complete with ridiculous right wing talking points and other such things. It was reading like a Fox News comment section as opposed to a group of people that you would think would be able to look at things rationally due to coming out of a religion with similar ridiculous us vs. them/black and white thinking.

  Confused and alone was clearly trying to use logic to show the more extreme posters/positions how they were coming off; for instance, using CORRECT analogies (Christianity as a whole not condemning or distancing from the KKK in the past -is- very similar to more tolerant Muslim groups not condemning ISIS and other groups; the Bible is just as hateful/terrible as the Koran and can be selectively quoted in the exact same way to support hateful views) to show why some posters' stances were problematic. He hasn't come off as "bitter/angry/resentful" at all and I don't see the purpose of the ad hominem there.

  Islam is a large problem because a) it is a few hundred years of progression behind Judaism/Christianity, and b) because there are too many quasi-Islamic-theocracies that just happened to be centered around countries that would be involved in geographical conflicts pretty much by default, due to their resources/location/history.

  When it comes to (b), you can see why religion as a WHOLE is a problem; since people in power can twist any holy book based on an appeal to invisible authority to control people, especially angry/oppressed people, and use that to commit harmful acts. However, in a free country that allows freedom of religion doing things like "outlawing the religion" in this country, where there is a generally more progressive majority, is quite frankly, ridiculous (and some posters were saying this - with better forum software, quoting would be easier). Also, claiming that Muslims who are trying to evolve their religion into the modern world "aren't real Muslims because they don't follow their book" is as silly as saying that Catholicism is not really Christianity because they ignore parts of the Bible to attempt to be more progressive. That's what he was focusing on from what I saw; I don't see how the personal attacks against him really apply at all.
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  AlphaMan

  Oh boo hoo. I'm saddened that a 54 yo grandmother in OK, USA got her head hacked off by a Muslim.

  I'm disgusted by the sympathy for Islam in the Western world when Islam is constantly on the attack in our society.

  Yes, there can be good Muslim people, but the ideology behind Islam is a disease.
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  confusedandalone

  Qcmbr - the amount of intellectual dishonesty being displayed by you putting up that last post is very telling. VERY VERY telling.

  The country of Saudi Arabia which adheres to an extremely strict form of Islam (Wahhabi) and they do not practice this. It has never been a required practice of Islam and was in practice well before Islam so what you are trying to portray is false. It is a culture practice that some people have combined with the belief system.
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  confusedandalone

  Pacopoolio - " However, in a free country that allows freedom of religion doing things like "outlawing the religion" in this country, where there is a generally more progressive majority, is quite frankly, ridiculous (and some posters were saying this - with better forum software, quoting would be easier). Also, claiming that Muslims who are trying to evolve their religion into the modern world "aren't real Muslims because they don't follow their book" is as silly as saying that Catholicism is not really Christianity because they ignore parts of the Bible to attempt to be more progressive. "

  If only these 2 points would actually get talked about more instead of the focus of Female Genital Mutilation I think a huge service could have been done.
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  LoveUniHateExams

  @laika

  'I would bet good money that I have done more towards eliminating fgm in the last month than you have in your entire life' - good point, well done, you're certainly doing better than I am.

  'Are going to post in any other threads?' - yeah, probably.

  @Frazzled

  'Simon ... I'm surprised at your instigating this thread and fanning the flames of hatred' - ridiculous comment! It's not Simon who's fanning the flames of hatred, it's ISIS and other extremist groups. I am absolutely sick of some people on this thread misunderstanding the Wests' and Islamist's roles in this drama with regard to cause-and-effect.

  It's totally disheartening.
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  KateWild

  There is so much hate on this thread it really is saddening to see. We come here to get support and perhaps see parallels to our own situation from other organisations.

  Islam as a religion has many sects and any ways of praticing. By and large IMO the doctrines are harmful to those who are members, I see it as a high control group that is sexist. But I also believe there are many good Muslims who are trapped and make the best of their situation, they live their lives to the best they can doing good to others and being kind.

  Then on a completely separate note we have the extremist splinter groups such as ISIS, who incite violence and actively recruit members to incite violence also. Many Western University students have been manipulated and recruited into ISIS, they think they are doing God's work and are delluded. ISIS is a dangerous cult as are other extremist Islamic groups.

  Confused.....I support a lot of what you say, but at times the way you say it could have some roses put on it, I am sure your wife would agree and has probably said something similar.

  Muslims are not diseased, they are victims.

  Kate xx
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  confusedandalone

  " Confused.....I support a lot of what you say, but at times the way you say it could have some roses put on it, I am sure your wife would agree and has probably said something similar."

  Not being argumentative here... but would you use the same words to describe what Simon / coft / tootired2care / Qcmbr /AlphaMan / Gregor?

  I can not put roses on combatting people who want to ban religions and or suggest members here strap bombs to htemselves and blowup kindergarten children.

  SO again can they samethign be said of the posters above?

  Also i think it is a British thing to mask thoughts and insults inside witty and wordy responses. Which is fine but I would rather have people say exactly what they mean without the extra.