Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    SO again can they samethign be said of the posters above?-confused

    A lot of what they say has been said in hatred, they cannot put roses on it and make it sound okay. I do not support much of what those posters say. But I do support a lot of what you say and I support your motives for saying it, just don't let hatefulful words from other posters lead you to saying the right things in the wrong way.

    It's not about what you say it's about the way you say it, for other posters it doesn't matter how they post it, what they say is Islam is a disease when it's not.

    Kate xx

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    @KateWild

    'There is so much hate on this thread it really is saddening to see' - fair point and I'll try to be less hateful (hateless?).

    'Muslims are not diseased, they are victims' - I agree with you up to a point. But if their scriptures say 'slay the infidel' they still have a choice. Don't deny agency.

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    @Katewild I hope you know I'm not being argumentative with you.

    I just can't stand when people let bigotry fester. Not saying you are one of them

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    But if their scriptures say 'slay the infidel' they still have a choice.-LUHE

    I am afraid I disagree. Muslims don't have a choice, especially women. They can be creative with what thew Koran teaches, but they don't have true choices. They are born into a high control group and escaping can lead to death in some cases. Many Muslims are trapped in Islam sadly.

    @confused....lol I know you are not being argumentative, I totally get your point and what you're fighting for. Like you I am in a minority, a Jew, and Hitler to me is like the KKK is to you. I get you confused lol :).

    Kate xx

  • Simon
    Simon

    Simon you are fortunate that you are the owner of this site. If you were an ordinary poster here you would know exactly what people think of you and your despotic hypocritical ways.

    Based on what I have been told by people on and off this board it appears I am the exact opposite of what you describe. As a matter of fact that description fits you far more than anyone else. Based on your opening post you lump all muslims into a small box then berate them by implying that they can't read. Who really seems like the out of control bigot?

    More importantly you can say all of this stuff on your message board where you think you are in control but you are a coward and would never say these things to the face of a Muslim you met on the street. You are a bigot and a coward who just happens to be the owner of a website that is a support system for people at a time when they need a place to go. That means you can say and do what you want and no one wants to call you on it or say how they really feel about you. You knew this already I am sure

    Not being argumentative here... but would you use the same words to describe what Simon / coft / tootired2care / Qcmbr /AlphaMan / Gregor?

    I can not put roses on combatting people who want to ban religions and or suggest members here strap bombs to htemselves and blowup kindergarten children.

    confusedandalone: consider this a warning - I do not have infinite patience when I think people are deliberately being insulting to me or others on this site and repeatedly using false quotes and micharacterizations of what they have said as a way to do it. It will not be tollerated.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Back to the discussion ...

    Here is the kind of liberal media debate over whether Islam promotes Violence, in response the point Bill Maher made:

    http://www.salon.com/2014/09/30/reza_aslan_takes_down_bill_mahers_facile_arguments_on_islam_in_just_5_minutes/

    Superficially, the points made are fine and convincing but unfortunately the hosts don't think to ask anything other than repeat the question and fail to notice that the answer isn't to the actual question asked:

    Q: "Does Islam promote violence?"
    A: The vast majority of muslims are not violent

    That answer doesn't mean that islam doesn't promote violence, simply that the majority of people have the sense not to act on it.

    But it still promotes violence and the problem is that allowing this promotion to happen is dangerous because a sizeable minority do decide to act on it and really, why should some innocent woman going to work one day have to die a horrible death, not get to say goodbye to loved ones, not get to live the years she'd planned ... all because some moron supposedly has the 'right' to promote a violent ideology to some other moron?

    The argument seems to be that these were just violent people and it's not the religions fault. In which case the question should then become - "why does islam disproportionately attract people with a predisposition to extreme and graphical violence?"

    It is a disease, whether every carrier succumbs to the symptoms or not - if nothing else they keep the disease alive.

  • Frazzled UBM
    Frazzled UBM

    LUHE - hopefully you will stay at Uni long enough to realise that the world is not as balck and white as you paint it and that you can't reduce complexity to simple generalisations. You think you understand the casue and effect here but cause and effect in the Middle East is incerdibly complicated and not the knee jerk reaction you think it is. You think you can ascribe the actions of a militant political group claiming to represent Islam as in fact representing all Muslims but you can't. Yes the brutality of IS is appalling and it might make you feel good and morally indignatious but it is intellectually dishonest to blame all Muslims. This thread has the feel of a lynch mob.

    Simon - shame on you is all I can stay. After starting this appalling thread you now threaten someone for criticising you in a post. Has JWN become North Korea?

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    @KateWilde - I agree that muslim women and children are especially vulnerable and don't have a choice in some matters.

    However, with respect to the following 2 quranic commands do muslims have a choice, YES/NO:

    1. 'slay the infidels wherever you find them'

    2. 'so strike at the infidels' necks and cut off their fingertips'

    PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, ANSWER THESE POINTS.

  • Frazzled UBM
    Frazzled UBM

    Oh LUHE you could find a dozen similar quotes in the Bible - does that mean they are followed? No. Similar arguments about literalism versus metaphor exist regarding the Quran as they do for the Bible. Stop trying to rationalise your bigotry.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    LUHE, as I said before t hey can be creative with what thew Koran teaches, but they don't have true choices. Just like JWs who are taught only JWs will survive, many are creative with this teaching and teach themselves Jehovah is a just God and would never commit an injustice and kill innocent ones.

    The Koran also teaches love in a lot of scriptures. It is a contractdictory book and I think it is not holy or from Allah (God). LUHE, I will not be cornered by you when you are using yes/no questions, as Fraz said life is not black and white, you are thinking in concrete terms you need to have a broader view of Muslims in my opinion.

    Kate xx

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