Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult

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  LoveUniHateExams

  @Billyblobber, which colonialism would you like me to study - there have been many empires. Islam predates the european empires but not the Arab empires (Caliphates). The spread of Islam and Arabization went hand in hand.

  Your comment regarding Rwanda is something I'd like to pick up on. In blaming colonialism for the Rwandan massacre you're denying the Rwandan people agency. The only people to blame for this were the Rwandans who were macheteing and raping others of a different tribe.

  Similarly, with Islamic terrorism, the world-wide muslim community (Ummah) needs to sort itself out. Colonialism, America or Israel can't be blamed for everything.

  There are Islamic terror attacks in Thailand. The Indian branch of Al Qaeda has recently urged muslims to kill the idol worshippers (hindus). How do you explain these last two points?
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  LoveUniHateExams

  @Billyblobber - you know that the US didn't invent slavery don't you.

  The Arabs were buying African slaves before Whitey landed in Africa. Saudi Arabia offically abandoned slavery in 1962. This was the transaharan slave trade. African royalty themselves sold slaves and grew rich off their harvest of human flesh. In other words, Africans and Arabs of the time bear some resposibility for slavery, too.
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  Simon

  I don't see why you refuse to see this. You have concluded that Islamic beliefs are the disease. Therefore, rid the disease and the Muslim world is cured of terrorism. This is fundamentally flawed.

  Likewise, you seem blind to what I'm actually saying.

  The disease is any idea that promotes the idea of killing others. If this is hiding in prayers of the faithful or the holy writings of the believers then it needs to be removed or made clear that it's not a current belief. That seems to be the sticking point because it IS in there and at the same time people can't get over the notion that it's the word of god.

  BTW: It seems that other somalian muslims don't agree with Accord:

  http://metronews.ca/news/edmonton/1169427/edmonton-somali-leaders-denounce-warning-local-men-are-being-recruited-by-isis/
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  jgnat

  You really love Uni? Keep studying. My son in law is Rwandese. The generational hatred between the "tribes" was fostered by the colonialists. Identity cards identified who were Hutu and who were Tutsi. The Tutsi were given preferential treatment, civil service jobs, education, land. This ended when the colonialists left, and instead of creating universal brotherhood, there was a backlash starting in the 1960's. The Tutsi became handy scapegoats for all that went wrong in the country. These artificial divisions, fostered by the colonialists, set up what followed.

  http://www.africabookclub.com/?p=3268
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  jgnat

  The bible similarly promotes wiping out neighbouring tribes. I can't think of a single Christian group that has excised this from the bible, other than declaring Jesus' modification the "fulfillment" of the Old Testament laws.
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  Simon

  The bible similarly promotes wiping out neighbouring tribes.

  The old testament.

  You'll struggle to find Christianity promoting the idea of death to non-believers at anyone's hand but god's.

  Even this is an abhorent notion but mostly harmless as it doesn't advocate any individuals doing the killings themselves.

  I can't think of a single Christian group that has excised this from the bible, other than declaring Jesus' modification the "fulfillment" of the Old Testament laws.

  Duh ... then they have excised it from the CURRENT BELIEFS. That is the point. That is what Christianity did that Islam needs to do.

  But it won't happen while everyone leaps to it's defense whenever the hate parts are criticised !!
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  jgnat

  ...and Uni, there are Buddhist terrorists, too.

  http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/bodu-bala-sena

  How do you explain that?
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  jgnat

  Christianity sorted itself out from it's violent roots. Islam will too. Terrorist groups of all descriptions are aberrant and their behavior, motivations, and roots should be studied.
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  Simon

  Funny how everything is always the fault of colonialists - if they stop tribes killing each other and then they start killing each other again when they leave then it's still all the fault of the colonialists.

  Never the fault of the bloodthirty savages that do the horrifc massacres?
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  Simon

  there are Buddhist terrorists, too.

  http://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/bodu-bala-sena

  How do you explain that?

  Are they an ideological force that is a threat to the world or just a few people involved in their own little ethnic struggle?