jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion. (page 14)

Amyfa

If Reniaa is not already back as a JW. Then maybe, just maybe she is trying so hard to make what the watchtower tell her to believe true. She must be having strong doubts in her mind that they are wrong or she would just believe it and not worry about what anyone else thinks.

sacolton

Also, if you think just acknowledging Jesus Christ as "Son of God" is enough ... well, even the demons knew who He was.

Matthew 8:29

Suddenly they screamed, "What do you want with us, Son of God? Did you come here to torture us before the proper time?"

Mediate on this.

Jehovah/Jesus are both "the rock", "the light", "savior", "king of kings", "creator", "judge", "lord of lords", "alpha and omega", "I AM" and "God". Do you think they fight over these titles?

isaacaustin

Well said Sacolton

Acknowledging is not trusting. The demons do not trust Jesus- they are his enemy. Faith mixed with trust is what is needed.

By the way, what does sacolton mean?

JosephMalik

I am not in any way saying that Jesus is equal in position to the father. Obviously a Father is greater than the Son. But this "greater" has to do with position only, not nature.

In Phillipians 2:5-8, the Apostle Paul states the same thing I am stating, that in nature, Jesus is God;

Lillly,

What is the nature of the Angels? Do you know? I am talking about the non-human ones He used and even Satan. You have a theory that is translation dependent and also not-trinitarian as well. But the verse is not really about such nature which such others also shared but was about their attitude and our attitude. Read it again: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the formof God, thought it notrobberyto be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. So is Jesus God according to Paul? No! The position of Jesus under discussion is exalted. Humanity will bow and worship him as Lord. But the glory for all this, that is God the Father's not Christ’s. Jesus is not God according to Paul.

You said: One more thing. If you are trying to say that Jesus posesses Divinity but is not the true God of the old Testament, come in the flesh, then he must be a false God. Because the bible is clear there is only one true God and he created all things. Jesus cannot be 'a god" unless he is a false god.

I already explained how the word God is used in scripture. You apply it randomly like most others do. The result is thinking like "he must be a false God" or "cannot be a god unless" when all we have to do is read the texts for ourselves. And it has already be shown how angels appeared in God’s name or otherwise functioned in His behalf. The text used here in Phillipians teach this as well. So when an OT verse says: I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior does this mean that this savior can not delegate the way He did at such other times? No! For Paul just said of the WORD that came to be Christ: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: God appreciated what this Christ did and exalted him. Jesus was not God according to Paul. When compared directly together Paul taught that: 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Yes in this context Jesus is our Lord not God.

Joseph

sacolton

By the way, what does sacolton mean?

For Ye Who Hath Wisdom, Let Him Receive Understanding ...

It's my name. Shawn Allen Colton (sacolton).

Thy Mystery Revealed!

isaacaustin

ah, ok. Very nice.

lovelylil

It is funny how Renaia started this thread by boldy proclaiming that "jesus denies being God".

However, we have not seen even one scriptural proof of this at all. On the contrary, Renaia has only 'proven" that Jesus is not the same person as the father, a point in which we all agree with her. And as a matter of fact, I think many of the christians on this thread proved this point even better than Renaia did.

So.....we are still awaiting the scriptural proof that Jesus denied being God?

But alas, .........I think we may have scared Reniaa away. Lilly

reniaa

Oh my word!!!! lol I spend one day with the kids and come back to 3 pages to answer lololol

I certainly touched a nerve :S from my brief reading of replies some are similar questions/replies so I can address them together, some are praising jesus as God and just expressions of personal faith so can be ignored because as you say I will never understand, and some scoffers that I will also feel free to ignore as they add nothing to the topic.

I will address as many as I can but its going to take a little time to write up my reply.

one thing though....

Mouthy I do not lie.....I have a severely disabled son who is 10 years old and this among other things has stopped me being a practising witness note that i've always said I've been inactive for over 10 years, Getting to meetings is very hard for me, so my one outlet for debating on God is these forums, I am pro-witness and my comments reflect this but they also reflect my believe in Jehovah as God alone. I do not count any time on these threads since i'm not a practising witness, for me this is just for enjoyment of debate and speaking about jehovah and jesus :)

And just to show you how serious I am on this, I personally swear to Jehovah that all I've said above is the truth and nothing but the truth.

and now you can continue to call me a liar but my conscience is clear on this point as Jehovah and Jesus for that matter know! maybe one day I will go on the ministry again but it will be outside and talking to people that are willing to listen.

Brb

Reniaa

isaacaustin

I will go on the ministry again but it will be outside

Outside? What do you mean by this and why?

JosephMalik

IssacAustin,

Simply positional? On the contrary, completely separate Beings, individuals that in the case of husband and wife are not even related to each other by flesh. Words do not an argument make, especially something as unscriptural and out of context as this.

Joseph

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