What hope is there then?

by sayitsnotso 290 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    I've never understood why when the most precious thing I have is my life that I must view it all as a pile of refuse. (Apostle Paul/ Watchtower teaching)

    Don;t confuse what Paul taught to what the WT interprests as his teachings.

    Paul advocate love above all else, salvation based on faith and that God is love and that there is nothing more precious to God than our life and salvation.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    See, I didn't believe it either, not until I had no choice but to believe it.
    I know this though, there is no proof that will satisfy you, just as there was no proof that satisfied me.

    That's what I'm talking about. I need that type of proof. I'm just being honest.

  • sayitsnotso
    sayitsnotso

    Outlaw:

    I'm not here to preach. I've read quite a lot already (jwfacts for one).

    I'll take one of your charges. The fact that the WTS could have had at one time, or even still has, investments that some percentage is with companies that manufacture weapons, what does this prove? I could invest in a mutal fund and some of that money could go to the same thing. A year from now that same money could be diverted in other funds and no longer in such a company. Its not like I hand picked the companies to invest in. Not to mention that many may give in trust these types of funds to the WTS at their death. So I don't see your point here.

    But I digress, the main reason for this post what the original question that resulted from my research. To me either there is a God or there isnt. If there is a God then I don't see the WTS being wrong on it's core beliefs. If there is no God then what hope do we have?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    That's what I'm talking about. I need that type of proof. I'm just being honest.

    I know and God knows that too.

    I know that, for myself, when I WANTED that proof I couldn't have handled and when that proof finally came, I was blown away, cried like a baby too.

    I am not saying that is your case, you seem liek a far stronger person than I was and perhaps am, I am only speaking for myself as I can only do that.

    No one can show you that proof, there is none that will convince you, at least I don't know of any, do you?

    I have often asked people what prof they need and to be honest, no one really knows, I mean, pretty much anything that is supernatural can be chlaked up to illusion or delusion, and pretty much anything natural cna be explained so, what do we have left over?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    If there is a God then I don't see the WTS being wrong on it's core beliefs

    I have something to show you:

    THAT is YOUR WatchTower.

  • sayitsnotso
    sayitsnotso

    I have something to show you:

    And your point?

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    sayitsnotso -- I think you're sincere.

    Might I suggest that you leave the "God or No God?" question for later. First, examine WT's claim of being the 'Only True Religion'.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    And your point?

    You just made it.

    Good luck in your journey, may our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ guide your steps with love and compassion.

  • sayitsnotso
    sayitsnotso

    PSacramento I don't mean to sound coy. I'm just trying to see your point.

  • sacolton
    sacolton

    Start by researching the origins of the name "Jehovah". Even the Watchtower organization admits its not the Divine Name. Well, if it's not the Divine Name - why use it?

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