An Old Argument.... does it hold water? (page 25)

WontLeave

If you do not believe in God and think all Christians are delusional then ignore us!

Let me know what language you read and I'll try to translate into it. I never denied belief in God. Where you got that, I have no idea. One of the most annoying groups of religious idiots is the personal miracle people, who claim God is the janitor of their life, cleaning up messes and patching up cracks. That sort of anecdotal "evidence" is exactly the sort of thing that atheists prey on when arguing against existence of God. You going to tell us about "Andre", too? Yes, you're either a liar pushing your religious agenda or delusional. When it appears that nobody intelligent, educated, sane, or logical believes in God, then who wants to share company with that lousy lot?

Please, I'm begging you, stupid, ignorant, insane, and superstitious people. Stop "helping"!

N.drew

Expectation because of consistent past patterns is something modern man should cut out. The difference now, then say 2000 years ago? We know about 1. man's power to destroy 2. connectiveness. Tell someone 5000 years ago that she is connected to whoever, and it would not be so good. Now that we are tottering on the edge, it is good to know power and connectiveness. No? But "satan" will still cling to the past and keep things the status quo. Separate yourself from your dependence on the status quo.

PSacramento

Is there a particular reason that we have to resort to insults?

Are our arguments so weak that we need to use insulting words like those?

I know that many were JW's and the whole "us against them" thing is routine for some and the whole "those that don't agree with our view have mental problems" is standard, but I thought that when you guys left the JW's you put their way of thinking behind you, was I wrong?

tec

Tec - did you even answer any question or just repost people's comments with vacuous phrases of disagreement?

I have answered every single question asked of me, including those to whichI don't know the answer, with an 'I don't know'. So I don't know what you're reading. Or not reading.

Here are the inescapable facts as I see them:

1. We cause suffering. We choose it, inflict it, and we can ease it for ourselves and our fellow man. No one needs to starve. No one needs to be homeless, or hungry. No one needs to be introduced to and become addicted to any sort of drug. Yet these things continue to happen. Suffering is caused by us, not God. That is an inescapable fact. You believe it as much as I do. You (and other non-believers) just don't like that believers don't blame God for it. That we actually take personal responsibility for the things that are our own doing.

2. Natural disasters and disease. Some ARE caused by us. Global warming and its consequences, cancer from radiation, pollution, powerlines, etc... things like that. But for all the ones that are a part of the physica world... this I don't know. I can speculate. Perhaps had we spent more time on science and discovery instead of war (as one poster mentioned) we would have warning systems, cures, places we would know better than to build our homes upon. (though we do know better in some instances, and yet choose to live in unsafe places anyway) Perhaps the physical world is as it is because that is how life flourishes. Had we not lost the ability to move from physical to spiritual (had we been 'like the angels'), then physical disasters would have had no hold on us.

1 All life is attuned to pain that is in harmony with an evolution driven by brutal violent forces and the need to survive long enough to pass on genetic info. It is not in harmony with a magic world of love and peace.

True, the physical world is not in harmony with the spiritual world. It will be, though. "I am making everything new". NO more death, suffering, grief.

Peace,

Tammy

tec

Won'tleave,

Obviously God answers prayers. Or do you perhaps think that Christ was lying to his disciples when he told them that anything they asked for, they would receive? He did not say to the world, ask whatever god you pray to for things and my Father will grant it. But He did promise that to His disciples.

Peace,

Tammy

WontLeave

Or do you perhaps think that Christ was lying to his disciples when he told them that anything they asked for, they would receive?

Unless standing there with Jesus when he said that, on what basis would someone claim it applies to them? These are the men who went out expelling demons, healing the blind, raising the dead, speaking foreign tongues, etc. You claiming people do that now? Those are exactly the claims made by fraudulent "faith healers" and holy-rolling retards who babble like brain-damaged infants. Please keep your ridiculous lies away from Christianity, because you're getting your bullshit all over it.

tec

Unless standing there with Jesus when he said that, on what basis would someone claim it applies to them?

On the basis of having been annointed by Him. On the basis of belonging to Him. Paul wasn't standing there with him either, was he?

And I claim only that his disciples may ask, and receive. Because He said it. Just because there are plenty of wolves pretending to be sheep, among the sheep, doesn't mean there aren't actually a few sheep in there too.

Peace,

Tammy

Lady Lee

Won't Leave

Your insulting comments to posters on this thread are in direct violation of Posting Guideline #1. Knock it off.

jay88

@Wont Leave - sounds like we have a nark on this thread,...... it is all good.

Now you see why "others" write words upon words of hidden insults.

porch slave of christ

N.drew

nark a police informer, spy.

Funny my dear you have no proof. Believing things you do not know? Isn't that what your criticism of Christianity is? You are not being hypocritical are you? You do not consider that mommy just happened to read the thread and notice all by herself that it was getting out of hand? (it wasn't me!-but of course it doesn't matter what I say, right?) But it wasn't me. I think she reads the threads sometimes. Hi Lady Lee. Thank you for joining us!

An Old Argument.... does it hold water?

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