Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?

by tornapart 218 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Twitch

  So, I was very happy to find your question in the Active Topics. It was like an answer to prayer, a reassurance that, although cast out of the WTS, my family and I are not alone.

  P.S. to anybody on this forum who's inclined to ridicule the idea that God shows us scriptures: I will simply ignore such ridicule.

  So, you find a topic re belief in God on a discussion board that is dedicated to religious topics for exiting cult members and this is proof of god answering your prayer? Not meant as ridicule so much as pointing out a rather large error in logic/reasoning. But if you're happy with it, who am I to say you can't be?

  No, you're not alone. Many hold onto their belief in jesus/god after leaving the org; most prefer to choose a less extreme but similar belief. I am not one of these and am not alone either but invisible spirits had nothing to do with it.
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  EntirelyPossible

  I prayed for lunch, twitch, and then i went to the kitchen and right there in cabinet was some stuff for lunch!
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  Twitch

  Ask and ye shall receive (still waiting for my Mercedes Benz)
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  sabastious

  People keep claiming that the Bible is scientifically sound. If they do that, then they get science to examine the bible and it keeps coming up lacking.

  If people don't want science measuring the bible, then they should quit making claims about it.

  Many atheists are very quick to dismiss entire concepts because of a scientific truth that will likely change in the near future. The actions created by anticipation of these inevitable changes spring forth various forms of pseudoscience. The science of Darwin's time was much more philosophically progressive and open to the idea that all scientific cornerstones are not actually cornerstones, but stepping stones. The hardest thing for a scientist to do in today's world is to attempt to discover the next stone in the sequence because of the unnecessary ruthlessness in the contemporary scientific community which are now following militant, tyrannical atheism based science. This whole phenomenon was created by the lack of science in the first place which created spiritual, rather than rational, circles of people. It's these "archaic" spiritual circles that militant atheists want banished from the earth as soon as possible. These militant atheists have finally gained control over their lives and minds after so much chaos. Unfortunately through the process many free thinkers slip into unadulterated bigotry from the opposite end of the spectrum.

  -Sab
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  cofty

  Sab - I love how you keep trying to make room for woo by claiming that science doesn't really know anything for sure.

  The scinetific method works, its brutal, it allows no room for anything that can't stand up to rigorous scrutiny. That inevitably leaves "spirituality" (whatever that means) outside the lab where it belongs.
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  poopsiecakes

  I'd like to say something to all of the believers out there. I think that things get lost in translation at times between us. I can only speak for myself with certainty but when you read what those of us post who have stopped believing, a prevailing trend (for the most part) is noticeable that some of you may not really be processing. Most of us used to believe. Not only believe, but would vehemently defend those beliefs to those who didn't share them. I remember long and heated debates I used to have with atheists and agnostics when I was a die-hard witness and I always felt that I was doing a bang up job coming up with arguments that I saw as proof and those I was arguing with would lob back thought provoking questions that I threw a mental brick wall up to stop. I've been there and understand you better than you think and I believe that what may be interpreted as 'ridicule' from those of us who no longer believe has as much to do with 'holy cow I can't get over how I used to believe this too' as opposed to ridiculing any of you on a personal level.
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  Scatteredsheep

  Twitch, please allow me to explain. The non-believers on this forum sometimes appear to outnumber the believers (but maybe they just comment more on the threads I've been reading.)

  Be that as it may, I'd been away from the forum for awhile, overwhelmed, in my wounded state, by the great amount of disillusionment I'd been finding here. Then I received, what I perceived to be, prodding from holy spirit to return to the forum. One of the first threads I encountered when I returned was the above question from Tornapart. The question just seemed to jump out at me and confirm that it was, indeed, holy spirit that directed me back here. God had answered my prayers for guidance, in other words.

  Perhaps that means I've healed to the point that I can handle other people's disillusionment better now. I hope so, and I hope Tornapart will also heal without losing faith in God and the Bible.

  Scatteredsheep
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  cofty

  The question just seemed to jump out at me and confirm that it was, indeed, holy spirit that directed me back here. God had answered my prayers for guidance, in other words.

  I remember when I used to see guidance in every happenstance. Now I call it confirmation bias.
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  sabastious

  I'd like to say something to all of the believers out there. I think that things get lost in translation at times between us. I can only speak for myself with certainty but when you read what those of us post who have stopped believing, a prevailing trend (for the most part) is noticeable that some of you may not really be processing. Most of us used to believe. Not only believe, but would vehemently defend those beliefs to those who didn't share them. I remember long and heated debates I used to have with atheists and agnostics when I was a die-hard witness and I always felt that I was doing a bang up job coming up with arguments that I saw as proof and those I was arguing with would lob back thought provoking questions that I threw a mental brick wall up to stop. I've been there and understand you better than you think and I believe that what may be interpreted as 'ridicule' from those of us who no longer believe has as much to do with 'holy cow I can't get over how I used to believe this too' as opposed to ridiculing any of you on a personal level.

  I get the feeling like your believing times are reminiscent of a sober person reflecting upon past alcoholism. Many people want to keep their beliefs because of personal unexplained experience ("craziness" doesn't cut it for everyone) that they are afraid to mention those experiences on a forum with many militant atheists. The type that will demand empirical evidence like Greek Gods in the clouds. I believe that every idea should be put through the scientific method. However, when that method yields inconclusive results I will not insist they are conclusive. It is this insistence that we present inconclusive results as conclusive results for non conclusiveness that's the problem. It's the insistence of that perspective (glass is half empty) that creates division between seekers of belief and non believers, imo.

  -Sab
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  thetrueone

  Why believe in just only one god and one spiritual text ?

  There are many gods to chose from, although some have disappeared in the minds of human acceptance.

  What is there to dissuade one in the belief of all the other gods throughout human history ?

  It could be easily said that the god of the bible is probably the most violent and unloving toward mankind, but then again

  this particular god probably offers the most perceivable power for men living today. ( no names mentioned )