spilled the beans

by thecrushed 147 Replies latest members private

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Look, thecrushed...

    First of all, DON'T PANIC. It really ISN'T the "End Of The World". It just looks like it, because you, too, are still struggling with some of those apocalyptic cult-programmed responses.

    Here are some suggestions - again...

    First, PLAY SPY.

    That means you will need to assume a FALSE FACE. PLAY the Watchtower game, but play it AGAINST THEM.

    Play coy with the elders, as suggested above.

    If you must do so to maintain peace and a decent standing in your own house, backtrack with your wife. Tell her that you've "seen the error of your ways" - but get those books anyway...

    You haven't really committed any error, and you know that, but you want to get HER to lower HER defenses, right? You can't do that if SHE thinks that SHE'S the "morally superior" one in the situation.

    The fact that SHE'S considering putting on a "head covering" and reading to YOU, means that she's (a) panicking because you're trying to rush her into something that she's never considered before and (b) she now thinks that she is in a position to take over YOUR "position of headship" as dictated by the Watchtower Corporation, because now SHE (c) has to "save" you....

    Bleah. Not a fun situation.

    But you can HAVE some fun with this, as you maneuver conditions to help YOU get HER out.

    (I mention FUN, because that was the FIRST thing that my therapist picked up on, after I exited the cult. In one of our first sessions, she asked me, "But where's your sense of humor?" I realised that I HAD NO SENSE OF HUMOR - it had been HAMMERED OUT OF ME by that damned cult and its DOOMSDAY BULLSH*T.)

    So, I would say that DEVELOPING A SENSE OF HUMOR about the situation will help immensely.

    I know - it seems like the end of your marriage; it seems like "the end of the world".

    But it's NOT.

    So clear your head, do some deep-breathing exercises - and I'd suggest doing some light reading on some of those subjects that have been forbidden to you up until now - scholarly archaeology, paleo-archaeology, paleontology, geology, astronomy, and so on...

    Leave THOSE books lying around - perhaps your wife will read THEM.

    You'll have to go at this SIDEWAYS - you'll have to SNEAK UP on your wife's brain; you CANNOT do a "full frontal assault".

    That would be disastrous.

    Just relax, lean back, develop a sense of humor - and start playing MENTAL CHESS GAMES.

    Seriously, you have what it takes to outmaneuver the Watchtower Corporation, and gain your wife's freedom. You'll just have to be patient and map out strategies for the LONG RUN, as several other people on this thread have pointed out.

    Best results to you!! If you're canny and clever, subtle and sly, I'm sure you will succeed!!

    Zid - the board's She-Devil

  • thecrushed
    thecrushed

    She has been spying on me not the other way around. ziddina thank you for your support and thoughtful response. I don't know if I can admit that I'm wrong when I cleary am not. I will consider your words. Right now I'm speachless and don't know how to respond. I'm afraid if I respond right now it will be the wrong thing with too much emotion. Being bipolar and dealing with this is not a good mix and I can already feel that my brain is going chaotic from this. I can't think striaght and in logical manner. I've learned that this is the first sign of a coming episode. If I do lose it they will just say that I'm a mentally diseased apostate. I have a new job starting next week and I really hope that this mess will effect my performance but it probably will. I know it's not the end of the world but my heart aches, my chest is tight and I'm having a mild panic attack right now. I'm very sad that my wife doesn't even consider that I might be hurting too. Damn I hate this CULT!

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    thecrushed: I'm very sad that my wife doesn't even consider that I might be hurting too.

    This was one of the hardest things for me to understand and accept after I woke up to the lies of the WT. In spite of all their rhetoric and propaganda, JWs are almost to a man/woman the least empathetic people ever.

    Especially when feeling threatened they completely draw into themselves in a very juvenile, nay infantile, way.

    Then the temper tantrums begin. If you're hip to it, it's only difficult to deal with. If you don't recognize what's going on their emotional BS is very effective at manipulating you.

    Be easy on your wife, you've rocked her world and she is only DOING and BEING exactly what she's been trained to DO and BE.

    Set the example. It's hard, but you can do it. You can't fall to pieces. You've got to be the strong one and you can, because YOU are right and THEY are not.

    Hang in there, it gets better!!!

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    I know it's not the end of the world but my heart aches, my chest is tight and I'm having a mild panic attack right now.

  • ziddina
    ziddina
    "She has been spying on me not the other way around. ..." thecrushed

    I'm sorry dude, but...

    FACE/PALM!!

    I'm NOT talking about "spying" ON YOUR WIFE.

    I'm talking about THINKING LIKE A SUCCESSFUL SPY.

    Do you understand the difference?

    A SUCCESSFUL "spy" will put on a TOTALLY FALSE FACE - and be internally O-K with that, because he/she knows that the success of his/her mission AND HIS/HER SURVIVAL depends on successfully

    FAKING IT.

    Soo, to review - when I say, "play SPY", I mean FAKE IT to your wife and maybe even to those pesky dammed elders - and to mommydearest-in-law, too...

    That will REDUCE THE HEAT ON YOU.

    THEN play the game WELL for a while. Avoid that damned "bible study" with the elders by claiming depression, curiosity, your mailman challenged you to look at the evidence for evolution and you "succumbed to the temptation" - whatever the hell gets them off of your back.

    And then START SNEAKING UP ON YOUR WIFE'S BRAIN.

    NOW do you understand what I meant when I said, "PLAY SPY"...???

    grumpy Zid

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    By the way, I'm bi-polar too - had TWO dysfunctional bi-polar parents who were in the cult and constantly going nuts with the cult's idiotic theology and edicts, hitting, kicking, slapping and insulting me whenever I "disobeyed" - or when they were out of control and felt like taking it out on someone else...

    So the crushed, I have some knowledge of what you're going through.

    Here's a few suggestions for THAT aspect of the situation.

    Refined sugar sends ME into a mental/emotional tailspin - and I'm addicted to candy!! I have to avoid it like the plague or it really messes me up mentally, emotionally and physically.

    By the way, alcohol consumption basically turns into SUGAR when it first hits the stomach - that's what causes that pleasant 'buzz' that so many people drink themselves under the table trying to recapture.

    After a couple of drinks or so, that mechanism stops working and the stomach starts passing actual alcohol into the blood stream. That means the drinker is no longer getting the "sugar buzz", but continues drinking in a vain attempt to "get" that buzz again.

    So avoid candy, cookies, cakes, ice cream AND alcohol - booze - until you've gotten past a few "humps" or stress-inducing situations like your new job.

    SECOND SUGGESTION - start watching ALL the funny shows that you can. Whatever tickles your funny bone, whatever makes you laugh until your sides hurt - that is GOOD medicine. It will lift your endorphine [i think that's the hormone/chemical involved] levels and lift your spirits and help you feel less trapped.

    YOU ARE NOT TRAPPED. It's only past programming that makes you feel that way, at this time.

    I'll write more as/if needed. You're a smart guy; if I can figure out how to control MY mood swings, then you can get a better handle on yours - and a better outlook on your general situation, at this point in time...

    Oh, don't be hesitant to USE your "bi-polar" issue to prevent the elders from meeting with you. Use it instead of letting it use you...

    Zid - hoping this has helped...

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    Don't get grumpy Ziddy, the poor boy has just had his entire world come crashing down on him.

    Most REAL spies have years of training and preparation before their thrown into the real world of espionage and counter-espionage. He's up against an organization that has had over 100 years of practice at lies, deception, propaganda, mental manipulation and guilt-tripping. Plus he's got his evil Mother In Law to deal with and a wife that's having a meltdown too.

    You're advice to him is good, just be patient.

    00DAD

    BTW, do you have a tattoo of a girl on you back, Ziddy?

    Ziddy

    Lizbreath Salamander is young and beautiful. Her scales have an iridescent sheen, her wings arch proudly, her breath has a tang of sulfur. And on her back a tattoo of a mythical creature: a girl. But when Lizbreath is drawn into a dark conspiracy she will have to rely on more than her beauty and her vicious claws the size of sabres ...

    - - - - - - - - - -

    Gotta love the Dragon with the Girl Tattoo ... she's so HOT!!!

    But you know you're still my favorite dragon, doncha Ziddy?

  • ziddina
    ziddina
    "Most REAL spies have years of training and preparation before their thrown into the real world of espionage and counter-espionage. He's up against an organization that has had over 100 years of practice at lies, deception, propaganda, mental manipulation and guilt-tripping. ...." 00Dad

    Damm, you're right... I didn't think of that... (Of course, thecrushed DOES have US - those of us with eeeee-vil, devious little minds - and some not-so-little minds - to help him develop counter-strategies and methods of implementing them...) Hee hee hee heee!!

    Although, I did pick up the techniques of the Watchtower Corporation rather quickly - by the time I was 13, I was using guilt-tripping and manipulation to maneuver my parents around - not that it always WORKED, mind you - I was still just learning - but being IN that sort of environment exposed me to those sorts of tactics, and I did pick up quite a bit on my own...

    Ahhh.... The Dragon With the Girl Tattoo...

    That is hilarious!!!

    GOOD sense of humor!!

    Not-so-grumpy Zid, now...

    dragon kiss Hang in there, the crushed... We're here for you, as much as we can be...

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    thecrushed - I'm sorry your going this this overwhelming storm right now, your gonna get through this and hopefully soon, just hang in there! Try going for long walks, and talk to yourself about the issues your facing while walking, it should help with the chest pains and anxiety, I know this because it has helped me many times.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Bump!!

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