Boston tragedy - once again Islam is the common thread in another terrorist attack

by tootired2care 138 Replies latest members politics

  • coffee_black
    coffee_black

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17829692-family-of-slain-bombing-suspects-widow-our-hearts-are-sickened?lite

    from the above link:

    Classmates from high school said Katherine was a 2007 graduate of North Kingstown Senior High School. A neighbor, Paula Gillette, 59, told NBC News that Katherine, the oldest of three girls in the Russell family, attended Suffolk University in Boston. A spokesman for Suffolk said that a Katherine O. Russell from North Kingstown was a communication major from the fall of 2007 to spring 2010, three academic years, but did not receive a degree.

    When she moved back in, Gillette said, she had a young daughter and had taken to wearing a hijab and Islamic dress and rarely left the house.

    This is referring to the wife of the older bomber brother who died. She is from RI. They have a 3 year old daughter. Apparently she moved back in with her parents.

    Coffee

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    Researchers at the University of Edinburgh have shown that fundamentalism is associated with low intelligence, with each 15-point increase in IQ making people about half as likely to have strong fundamentalist views. [ 38 ]

    Fundamentalism rears its ugly head in many guises. It is an adherence to a mind-set that disallows new information or thoughtful analysis. It is the simple man's yearning for the absolute - 'the lure of certainty.' It rejects informed investigation and embraces the 'dogmatic conviction of correctness.'

    Fundamentalism is clearly not confined to religion. It can be seen in any entrenched, intractable POV - "Muslims = evil, America = righteous." It seems to give comfort to the notion of superiority. It abhors perspective.

    Sammies, your response was spot on.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Thanks Bizzy.

    Glander - what a joke you are.

    Come now child - are you sure you counted correctly with all your superior ability? Really? Might be 501 words in that little opinion piece. Better go back and count again. Ax to grind? Not me. You threw down the blade by making statements about the character of others - I simply opined on your comments. You don't like it? Too bad. Don't throw names in the mix and then get a little stressed out when a response is made that you don't like. It really does make you look inferior and I don't want to cause a drop in your self esteem. sammieswife

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    The cost of treating the injuries sustained by those wounded in the Boston tragedy are said to likely be at least 10 million dollars - upward from there as many will need therapy both mental and physical for quite a while afterward.

    What happens to all those affected if they have no health insurance? I often thought of this after the 911 attack - what was the financial and emotional cost to all those who were affected? Islam or not - if there was universal healthcare there would be nobody leaving the hospital with a million dollar bill they may be forced into bankruptcy to pay - just something I thought of given the number hurt. sammieswife

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    Here is some interesting statistics for all of you that view the anglosphere as the bane of this world, and worse or equal to Iran and other Islamic nations.

    According to an article published by the Guardian the US, Canada and UK, although not having the best world giving index (charity) are ranked at 55%, 56% and 53% percent respectively. Now when you look a super rich country like Saudi Arabia that is about 99% Islamic, and flush with trillions in oil money, you would expect some decent charity from them, yet they give less than half internationaly what the US, Canada and UK give percentage wise. This lower percentage is pretty consistent with other Islamic nations as well. Draw your own conlcusions.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/sep/08/charitable-giving-country

    @justucia I will not summarize the article volume, as was requested, because I do not feel it my responsibility to spoon feed the masses.

    Noted.

  • Glander
    Glander

    " Fundamentalism is clearly not confined to religion. It can be seen in any entrenched, intractable POV - "Muslims = evil, America = righteous." It seems to give comfort to the notion of superiority. It abhors perspective."

    This from Bizzy Bee, whose response on the day of the bombing was:

    "tea party extremists ?".

    Pretty much her hopeful response after any domestic killing incident, from Gabby Gifford to the theatre shooting in Colorado..etc..

    By the way, anytime you want to give the Glander a shellacking for his opinions, you can always count on Bizzy's total agreement!

    Thanks, sammie, for the emoticon - after you put me in my place. Had me going there for minute! I thought you were serious.

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    Hey Glander,

    Your last comment reminded me of this absolutely stupid piece trash article that was published by that libtard media outlet Salon. Before they identified who was behind the Boston bombings they published an article entitled "Lets hope the Boston marathon bomber is a white American". Sometimes I wish the idiots who share this distorted world view, would move to Iran, as they really don't even have a remotest clue on how good they do have it -- not having to wear a Burka, or being able to speak freely etc.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    @still thinking

    In 2008, the peer-reviewed journal, Conflict and Health, published "Iraq War Mortality Estimates: A Systematic Review," and found that the household survey method was superior to other forms of counting.

    What religion was President Bush? Can we hold that religion responsible for ALL the civilian Iraqi Men women and children that were slaughtered at his command?

    I don't think this is an accurate comparison at all. Saying this, is like saying that the 50,000 that died in Obama's unilateral bombing runs of Libya are victims of whatever religion Obama is. President Bush and congress approved the Iraq war, congress is not a religion, and its members most likely subscribe to a number of different religious beliefs or non-beleif.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    Did you read further and note that I made the suggestion that the religion was $$$$$$$ big corporations.

    He may be catholic, baptist or whatever. I don't know....but that wasn't actually my main point. We in the west are dominated by MONEY, corporations that want to own the world and fleece other countries as much as they can. Bush and Obama belong to the same religion...the religion of WALL Street. And they want to spread the message that they want control of what you've got.

    The number of small nations that have had their democratically elected leaders removed with the help of the US govenment is obscene. And of course, in return for the assistance, the new govenments put in place (who are often more like dictatorships) do whatever the US govt. tells them to do.

    The Iraq war wasn't about Islam...it had NOTHING to do with Islam. THAT was an excuse.

    Just the same as if we go to war with Iran...or anyone else...just an excuse.

    Compare the damage that the West does in their countries, the wholesale slaughter of innocent people with what Islam has actually done in the West and their is a glaring inconsistency. MORE Islamists are murdered by the west than can be justifed.

    As I have said before, I personally cannot stand Islam as a religion. But we really need to put things BACK into perspective.

    How many total deaths have been cause by Islam in America. How about we compare that to Americas own nut job shooters and crazy cult mass suicides. Honestly, can ANYONE tell me that Islam is a bigger threat to the man on the street in America than your own people shooting each other?

    As for Obama wiping his eyes as stated in the article below...pfttttt...bet he doesn't do that over the thousands of children being killed in Islamic countries. No sobbing for them. Guess they have less value than our children. What an actor.

    President Barack Obama wipes his eye as he talks about the Connecticut elementary school shooting, Friday, December 14, 2012, in the White House briefing room in Washington. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

    Today’s nearly indescribable tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, where twenty-seven people, including eighteen children, were shot to death inside an elementary school, is at least the sixteenth mass shooting to take place in America this year. The death toll is now at eighty-four.

    Here is a list of every fatal mass shooting that’s taken place since January 1—defined as multi-victim shootings where those killed were chosen indiscriminately. The tragedies took place at perfectly random places—at churches, movie theatres, soccer tournaments, spas, courthouses and, now, an elementary school. But given the frequency of these awful events, perhaps in the long view their occurrence isn’t so random after all—it’s predictable.

    February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia, when a man opened fire inside the facility in an act suspected to be related to domestic violence.

    February 26, 2012—Multiple gunmen began firing into a nightclub crown in Jackson, Tennessee, killing one person and injuring 20 others.

    February 27, 2012—Three students at Chardon High School in rural Ohio were killed when a classmate opened fire.

    March 8, 2012—Two people were killed and seven wounded at a psychiatric hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, when a gunman entered the hospital with two semiautomatic handguns and began firing.

    March 31, 2012—A gunman opened fire on a crowd of mourners at a North Miami, Florida, funeral home, killing two people and injuring 12 others.

    April 2, 2012—A 43-year-old former student at Oikos University in Oakland, California, walked into his former school and killed seven people, “execution-style.” Three people were wounded.

    April 6, 2012—Two men went on a deadly shooting spree in Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting black men at random in an apparently racially motivated attack. Three men died and two were wounded.

    May 29, 2012—A man in Seattle, Washington, opened fire in a coffee shop and killed five people and then himself.

    July 9, 2012—At a soccer tournament in Wilmington, Delaware, three people were killed, including a 16-year-old player and the event organizer, when multiple gunmen began firing shots, apparently targeting the organizer.

    July 20, 2012—James Holmes enters a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises and opens fire with a semi-automatic weapon; twelve people are killed and fifty-eight are wounded.

    August 5, 2012—A white supremacist and former Army veteran shot six people to death inside a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee, Wisconsin, before killing himself.

    August 14, 2012—Three people were killed at Texas A&M University when a 35-year-old man went on a shooting rampage; one of the dead was a police officer.

    September 27, 2012—A 36-year-old man who had just been laid off from Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minnesota, entered his former workplace and shot five people to death, and wounded three others before killing himself.

    October 21, 2012—45-year-old Radcliffe Frankin Haughton shot three women to death, including his wife, Zina Haughton, and injured four others at a spa in Brookfield, Wisconsin, before killing himself.

    December 11, 2012—A 22-year-old began shooting at random at a mall near Portland, Oregon, killing two people and then himself.

    December 14, 2012—One man, and possibly more, murders a reported twenty-six people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, including twenty children, before killing himself.

    Since 1982, there have been at least 62 mass shootings * across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii. Twenty-five of these mass shootings have occurred since 2006, and seven of them took place in 2012. We've mapped them below, including details on the shooters' identities, the types of weapons they used, and the number of victims they injured and killed.

    Weapons: Of the 143 guns possessed by the killers, more than three quarters were obtained legally. The arsenal included dozens of assault weapons and semiautomatic handguns with high-capacity magazines. (See charts below.) Just as Jeffrey Weise used a .40-caliber Glock to slaughter students in Red Lake, Minnesota, in 2005, so too did James Holmes, along with an AR-15 assault rifle, when blasting away at his victims in a darkened movie theater. In Newtown, Connecticut, Adam Lanza wielded a.223 Bushmaster semiautomatic assault rifle as he massacred 20 school children and six adults.

    The killers: More than half of the cases involved school or workplace shootings (12 and 20, respectively); the other 30 cases took place in locations including shopping malls, restaurants, and religious and government buildings. Forty four of the killers were white males. Only one of them was a woman. (See Goleta, Calif., in 2006.) The average age of the killers was 35, though the youngest among them was a mere 11 years old. (See Jonesboro, Ark., in 1998.) A majority were mentally ill—and many displayed signs of it before setting out to kill. Explore the map for further details—we do not consider it to be all-inclusive, but based on the criteria we used we believe that we've produced the most comprehensive rundown available on this particular type of violence.

    (Mass shootings represent only a sliver of America's overall gun violence.)

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

  • tootired2care
    tootired2care

    @still thinking - Great comments.

    Did you read further and note that I made the suggestion that the religion was $$$$$$$ big corporations.

    I did, and I do agree with that assessment.

    We in the west are dominated by MONEY, corporations that want to own the world and fleece other countries as much as they can. Bush and Obama belong to the same religion...the religion of WALL Street.

    The rigged game of Wall street is disgusting, and mostly sinister. Unfortunately that is what we have in the present tense, I would however take that any day over religious oppression of Islam or WT. I do believe that that we can evolve even more as a free society -- past money and greed etc. Endangering myself of sounding naive, I believe breakthroughts in the nanotech field will facilitate this. This has a better chance of not being suppressed/repressed under Wall Street than it would be under the the rule of some Islamic theocratic regime.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzgVWpa4fzU

    Honestly, can ANYONE tell me that Islam is a bigger threat to the man on the street in America than your own people shooting each other?

    When viewed in aggregate I suppose you have a solid point there. The memories of 9/11 and the emotions and solidarity I felt for my fellow Americans though are still fresh in my mind. Like many others I think religion is a blight, and what mainly bothers me, is that the secularists are not consistent. They rag on other religions (e.g. Christianity) but make a special exception for Islam as if it's good or ok, and this is my point of contention, and really the reason for this thread. The thesis here is: Islam is not a religion of peace, or a force for good in the world, and the media and the politically correct apologists are fools for suggesting otherwise.

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