Explosion at Manchester Arena - Fatalities Confirmed

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  • konceptual99
    konceptual99
    Her reply was neither her nor her sister have been bought up by her parents to think they are better than anyone else regardless of being Muslim.

    Which is the precise answer you will get from a Witness if you ask the same question. The reality is that, just like a Witness, unless they are truly secular they will have to choose to differentiate their actions based on theological dictates that are predicated on Muslims being different and by implication better than non Muslims.

    At some point a Witness has to admit they are favoured by God. So does a Muslim. It's this base theological principle common to most religions that lays the groundwork for extremism.


  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    Just to add....

    Don't get me wrong, I have Muslims that I work with and interact with regularly and I have no problem with them and certainly don't consider them and their methods of worship as a danger however, just like all the nice Witnesses we all know, there is a core of doctrine that does not belong in a progressive and tolerant society.

    It's this that needs tackling from the ground up.

  • cofty
    cofty

    @Simon & Hot

    I want to discuss that further. Should get time later today.

    By the way Hot holding a gun to somebody's head is not a "thought crime".

    We don't kill people for things they believe.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Rebel - two minutes research would prove your friend is lying to you - knowingly or otherwise.

  • The Rebel
    The Rebel

    Cofty- " two minutes research would prove your friend is lying to you -knowingly or otherwise"

    I think her information was sincere. Apparently statistics from Europol, show the majority of terroist activity concerns ethnonationlistic organizations, who often commit acts of terrorisam that have low if any casulty rates. For example in 2011 none of the 174 terroist, attacks were " inspired" by religious organizations, and between 2004-2013, the U.K suffered 400 terroist attacks, mostly in Northern Ireland, and almost all were non-lethal.

    In fact on the F.B.I's official website between 1980 and 2005 terroist acts in the U.S.were:-

    Latino 42% Extreme left wing 24% Jewish extremist 7% Islamic extremist 6% communists 5% other 16% ( Sadly I haven't been able to find more current statistics). But according to the US governments National Counter- Terroisam Centre 2011 report, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97% of terrorism related fatalities over the last 5 years.

    My personal opinion is Islam is a threat, it wants to control the planet, set up a government on Earth. In England certain towns are becoming, completely Muslim ( Birmingham, Luton, Bradford, to name a few) But despite all that, I have Muslim friends, and until they treat me beneath my code of conduct, we are friends.

    Back to the terroist attack in Manchester, I find it beyond comprehension the only arrests have been to my knowledge young people. The Islamic extremists brain washing these people, are the real threat. This is what my friends statistics, did not take in to account. These acts of terroisam are designed to cause as many casualties as possible.

    p.s What I have learnt having left the JWs, is real friendship, real discussion is being able to have differing views in an honest, open and friendly way. I don't want to fall out with anybody on this.

  • darkspilver
    darkspilver

    I posted this bar chart in another thread, but it's probably worth re-posting here, now, again....


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/nature-of-the-threat-has-changed-khfjjzvh3

  • LoveUniHateExams
    LoveUniHateExams

    What your chart shows, Darkspilver, is that Islamist terror attacks have dominated terrorism in western Europe since 2004.

    Lee Rigby's death was an act of terrorism that happened in 2013. Is this included in the chart?

  • darkspilver
    darkspilver

    This is like earthquakes isn't it? They're meant to be getting more and more in order to fulfil the 'JW signs'....

    The chart above shows that, in terms of terrorist attacks and deaths, Western Europe is now much safer than in the 70s and 80s

    Lee Rigby's death was an act of terrorism that happened in 2013. Is this included in the chart?

    Yes it is - you can check it youself on the database: https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201305220004

    Paris. Brussels. Nice. Berlin. Now Manchester. A drumbeat of attacks across Europe has fed the notion that this is the golden age of terrorism.

    Statistics, however, tell a different story. They show that although several big attacks over the past year have pushed up the number of deaths in Europe, there are still far fewer than at terrorism’s peak in the Seventies and Eighties.

    In 2015, the last full year covered by the Global Terrorism Database, 175 people in western Europe died in terrorist attacks. That was a huge leap from preceding years, coming close to the 2004 toll of 196, all but five of whom perished in the train bombings in Madrid. Yet neither figure would be thought an unusual yearly tally in the Seventies, when groups such as the IRA, Eta Basque separatists and the Red Brigades were active and western Europe was a hub of terrorism.

    http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/25/west-europe-is-safer-now-than-in-the-1970s-and-safer-than-almost/

  • The Rebel
    The Rebel

    I am out this discussion. But I would like to say, my " Muslim" nurse friend not so long ago was attacked by a patient. Why? He got angry that his bees were not being looked after and attacked her. We have idiots everywhere. Idiots are both sides of the coin.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I'm sure you think you have some great Muslim friends but I think you're kidding yourself - either they are not very good Muslims or they are not really your friends. You won't really know until the chips are down.

    The doctrines are very clear on the matter of being friends with Kafir so they are lying to someone ... which the doctrines encourage them to do.

    No different to JWs being "friends" with people who aren't. They are either not adhering to their beliefs or they are working on a conversion or they don't really want to be a JW but are pretending for other reasons. Whichever it is, there is deception going on somewhere.

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